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sgt.peppers
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Logical-Master
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Jack Bauer would take Bruce Wayne in a bare-knuckle fist fight.

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 1/19/2009 Category: Religion
Updated: 8 years ago Status: Voting Period
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sgt.peppers

Pro


The resolution states that Jack Bauer would take Bruce Wayne in a bare-knuckle fist fight. This implies that Bruce couldn't use his batman suit/weaponry.



Jack is much more used to pressure than Bruce.

To start off, I will bring up the fact that Jack Bauer has greater motivation. The entire country rests upon his shoulders, while Bruce Wayne has one corrupt city he's defending. The bigger burden upon Jack's shoulder would force him to fight harder and fight dirty. Jack Bauer would also be more used to the pressure of having to save the entire country, while if Bruce Wayne has only ever had a single city to protect. That would mean that Bruce would be much, much more likely to crack under the pressure.



Bruce Wayne relies too much on his Batman suit.

While Bruce Wayne relies on his Batman suit and an entire arsenal of weapons and machines, Jack Bauer only uses a pistol and his pure awesome power to stop criminals. In a bare knuckle fight, Bruce, again, would be much more likely to crack due to the loss of his suit. The reliance on the batman suit would also make Bruce the slower fighter, because he is used to having a safety net of body armor. This could also make him a more reckless fighter, because he's used to almost never being hurt. Jack would be the better fighter because he's never had the safety net of a suit of armor, so he would be a much more defensive fighter, which would help him in the long run to outlast his opponent.



Jack only has twenty-four hours to stop his criminals, while Bruce has days. This means that Jack will work better under pressure, and have to think on his feet, while Bruce is more used to taking a step back and assessing the situation. This defect of Bruce's would ultimately lead to his down-fall because he wouldn't have the quick reflexes and the ability to think on his feet that Jack has. This just being another upper-hand that Jack has could be the deciding factor of this fight.

Overall, in a bare-knuckle fight there would be no possible way of Bruce Wayne coming out the winner. I await my opponent's response and hope for a fun debate. Thank you.
Logical-Master

Con

Alright, given that this fight does not allow Bruce to use his bat suit, I shall not be citing any endurance/defense feats by Batman below. Thus, in spite of being in the bat suit, he could have very well pulled any of the below feats without it.

FEATS:

1)Batman lifting a one thousand pound ceiling

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2) Batman #681

Despite having to free himself from a straitjacket and benchpress a coffin lid through 600 pounds of loose soil that's suffocating him, Bats is able to break free from his own grave (literally). All this while not being in top shape to begin with due to having been subjected to drugs and Joker's new Venom without time to properly recover

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3)Ripping out prison bars easily (Long Halloween #8)

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4) Trained under the world's best martial artist, Richard Dragon

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5) Stated to be a master of every martial art

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6) Evades Sniper Rifle Fire from the Gotham City Police Department Swat team

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7) Avoiding Sub machine gun fire at close range

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Jack Bauer may be impressive in his own series, but when compared to Bruce Wayne, it is quite clear that he does possess the physical prowess or martial arts knowledge necessary to even THINK about standing a chance

Now in response to my opponent's contentions . . .

----->RE Contention one: Jack is much more used to pressure than Bruce:

1) I would request that my opponent explain as to how "being pressured to save the country compared to being pressured to save a city" would factor into the outcome of a bare knuckled fist fight? Quite frankly, this seems to be highly irrelevant.

2) To pacify my opponent, this argument of his is clearly a false dichotomy. Batman hasn't merely saved his city. We must keep in mind that as part of the Justice League, he helps save the galaxy of a regular basis. Now I don't know about you, but I'm pretty sure galactic threats trump country wide threats on a meager planet such as earth.

------------->RE Contention Two: Bruce relies too much on his Bat suit.

In the comic books, Bruce is only forced to rely on his gadgets as well as any modifications he occasionally has to make to his Bat suit when being forced to tangle with the likes of Superman or Darkseid (both adversaries whom he has BEATEN, but we'll ignore that for the moment. There is plenty of reason to believe that Bruce could deal with a lightweight such as Bauer without use of the batsuit. Furthermore, without the batsuit, Bruce would actually be a FASTER fighter due to the sheer weight of the batsuit. To add, Bruce has trained under the world's best martial artist and learned every martial art LONG before he donned the Batsuit (which isn't even always armor. As depicted in the link where he lifts 1000 pounds, it is quite clear that he is wearing a suit made of tights).

-------------->RE Contention Three: Jack only has 24 hours to stop his criminals whereas Bruce has days.

1) Like the first contention, I would have to say that this is highly irrelevant when it comes to determining who would win a mere fist fight. Stopping criminals within 24 hours and having a "bare knuckled fist fight" with a random contender are not quite the same.

2) As a matter of fact, Batman stops new sets of criminals daily and monitors his city physically every single day. He doesn't merely occasionally deal with stuff every couple of days as the instigator implies. In other words, false dichotomy.

Overall, in a bare knuckle fist fight, the battle wouldn't even last a minute. Bruce Wayne knows every martial art, has developed his body to the point where his strength and agility is far above Olympic (hell, his feats could even be considered super human and has performed far more feats than Mr Bauer can even dream of. Bruce Wayne would dominate this.

And that'll do it for now.
Debate Round No. 1
sgt.peppers

Pro

sgt.peppers forfeited this round.
Logical-Master

Con

Forfeits, ergo drops, ergo extend.
Debate Round No. 2
sgt.peppers

Pro

sgt.peppers forfeited this round.
Logical-Master

Con

*sigh* . . . how dull. :(
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by m93samman 6 years ago
m93samman
apparently they (Lwerd and Vi, and others) wanted to bring down logical-master so that Lwerd's reign isn't threatened.
Posted by Maikuru 6 years ago
Maikuru
Am I missing something here?
Posted by Logical-Master 8 years ago
Logical-Master
Since you're knew to this site, I'll just go ahead and explain something in case you're wondering.

I'm big on procrastinating so you probably won't see me contribute anything to this debate until I have like 1 or 2 hours left. Till then. :P
Posted by TheSkeptic 8 years ago
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If I have time, I'll take this. No on disses Batman!
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