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Jehovah's Witnesses are true Christians

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Started: 6/7/2014 Category: Religion
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Bible13

Pro

Let's have a pleasant, unoffensive conversation that should interest us if we both care about the truth in God's word the Bible. Christians ONLY!
Miyagia

Con

I do not believe that Jehovah's witnesses are true christian. They distort the essentials doctrines of christianity. They also altered the bible to fit with the changing time and non christian teachings. They do not believe in the resurrection of Jesus Christ, and his salvation. They deny the christ, this alone makes them not christian.
Debate Round No. 1
Bible13

Pro

My adversary here seems to be misinformed about Jehovah's Witnesses. If we did not believe in the resurrection of Christ, and especially if we denied Christ, do you think I would have started this debate? No, ma'am. Many, like you, have been grossly misinformed and must know the truth. I'll quickly address each of your claims.

Claim 1: "They distort the essentials doctrines of christianity".

My response: What do you consider to be the essential doctrines of Christianity?

Claim 2: "They also altered the bible to fit with the changing time and non christian teachings"

My response: If you are referring to the NWT (New World Translation), it is based on up-to-date scholarly research and the most reliable ancient manuscripts. The New World Translation strives to convey faithfully the original message that was inspired by God. (2 Timothy 3:16) Many translations of the Bible sacrifice faithfulness to God's message in favor of following human traditions, for instance by replacing God's personal name, Jehovah, with titles such as Lord or God. Unlike paraphrased translations, the New World Translation renders words literally as long as doing so does not result in awkward wording or hide the thought of the original writings. Translations that paraphrase the Bible's original text may insert human opinions or omit important details.

For decades, Jehovah's Witnesses used, printed, and distributed various versions of the Bible. But then we saw the need to produce a new translation that would better help people to learn the "accurate knowledge of truth," which is God's will for everyone (1 Timothy 2:3, 4). So, in 1950 we began to release portions of our modern-language Bible, the New World Translation. This Bible has been faithfully and accurately translated into over 120 languages.

A Bible was needed that was easy to understand. Languages change over time, and many translations contain obscure or obsolete expressions that are difficult to understand. Also, ancient manuscripts that are more accurate and closer to the originals have been discovered, resulting in a better comprehension of Biblical Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek.

A translation was needed that was loyal to God"s word. Rather than taking liberties with God"s inspired writings, Bible translators should be faithful to the original text. However, in most versions, the divine name, Jehovah, is not used in the Holy Scriptures.

A Bible was needed that gives credit to its Author. (2 Samuel 23:2) In the New World Translation, Jehovah"s name has been restored where it appears some 7,000 times in the oldest Bible manuscripts as illustrated in the example below. (Psalm 83:18) The result of years of diligent research, this Bible is a pleasure to read, as it clearly conveys God"s thinking. Whether you have the New World Translation in your language or not, we encourage you to get into a good routine of reading Jehovah"s Word every day."Joshua 1:8; Psalm 1:2, 3.

In a letter dated December 8, 1950, noted Bible translator and scholar Edgar J. Goodspeed wrote regarding the New World Translation of the Christian Greek Scriptures: "I am interested in the mission work of your people, and its world wide scope, and much pleased with the free, frank and vigorous translation. It exhibits a vast array of sound serious learning, as I can testify."

Professor Allen Wikgren of the University of Chicago cited the New World Translation as an example of a modern speech version that rather than being derived from other translations, often has "independent readings of merit.""The Interpreter"s Bible, Volume I, page 99.

Commenting on the New World Translation of the Christian Greek Scriptures, British Bible critic Alexander Thomson wrote: "The translation is evidently the work of skilled and clever scholars, who have sought to bring out as much of the true sense of the Greek text as the English language is capable of expressing.""The Differentiator, April 1952, page 52.

In his review of the New World Translation that forms part of the Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures, Associate Professor Thomas N. Winter wrote: "The translation by the anonymous committee is thoroughly up-to-date and consistently accurate.""The Classical Journal, April-May 1974, page 376.

Professor Benjamin Kedar, a Hebrew scholar in Israel, said in 1989: "In my linguistic research in connection with the Hebrew Bible and translations, I often refer to the English edition of what is known as the New World Translation. In so doing, I find my feeling repeatedly confirmed that this work reflects an honest endeavor to achieve an understanding of the text that is as accurate as possible."

Claim 3: "They do not believe in the resurrection of Jesus Christ, and his salvation"

My response: John 3:16 (NWT) ""For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son (Jesus Christ), so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life.

Claim 4: "They deny the Christ"

My response: If you mean we don't believe in Christ, read my response for your third claim.

To conclude, here is what we Jehovah's Witnesses believe:

Bible: Jehovah"s Witnesses believe that the entire Bible is the inspired Word of God, and instead of adhering to a creed based on human tradition, they hold to the Bible as the standard for all their beliefs.

God: They worship Jehovah as the only true God and freely speak to others about him and his loving purposes toward mankind. Anyone who publicly witnesses about Jehovah is usually identified as belonging to the one group: "Jehovah"s Witnesses."

Jesus Christ: They believe, not that Jesus Christ is part of a Trinity, but that, as the Bible says, he is the Son of God, the first of God"s creations; that he had a prehuman existence and that his life was transferred from heaven to the womb of a virgin, Mary; that his perfect human life laid down in sacrifice makes possible salvation to eternal life for those who exercise faith; that Christ is actively ruling as King, with God-given authority over all the earth since 1914.

God"s Kingdom: They believe that God"s Kingdom is the only hope for mankind; that it is a real government; that it will soon destroy the present wicked system of things, including all human governments, and that it will produce a new system in which righteousness will prevail.

Heavenly life: They believe that 144,000 spirit-anointed Christians will share with Christ in his heavenly Kingdom, ruling as kings with him. They do not believe that heaven is the reward for everyone who is "good."

The earth: They believe that God"s original purpose for the earth will be fulfilled; that the earth will be completely populated by worshipers of Jehovah and that these will be able to enjoy eternal life in human perfection; that even the dead will be raised to an opportunity to share in these blessings.

Death: They believe that the dead are conscious of absolutely nothing; that they are experiencing neither pain nor pleasure in some spirit realm; that they do not exist except in God"s memory, so hope for their future life lies in a resurrection from the dead.

Last days: They believe that we are living now, since 1914, in the last days of this wicked system of things.

Separate from the world: They earnestly endeavor to be no part of the world, as Jesus said would be true of his followers. They show genuine Christian love for their neighbors, but they do not share in the politics or the wars of any nation. They provide for the material needs of their families but shun the world"s avid pursuit of material things and personal fame and its excessive indulgence in pleasure.

Many "Christian" religions may claim to follow the Bible. But consider the following:

(1) From most of their Bible translations they have removed the name of the true God thousands of times. (2) The Trinity doctrine, their concept of God himself, is borrowed from pagan sources and was developed in its present form centuries after Bible writing was completed. (3) Their belief in immortality of the human soul as the basis for continued life is not taken from the Bible; it has roots in ancient Babylon. (4) The theme of Jesus" preaching was the Kingdom of God, and he sent his disciples out to talk personally to others about it; but the churches today seldom mention that Kingdom and their members are not doing the work of preaching "this good news of the kingdom." (Matthew 24:14) (5) Jesus said that his true followers could be readily identified by their self-sacrificing love for one another. Is that true of the religions of Christendom when the nations go to war? (6) The Bible says that Christ"s disciples would be no part of the world, and it warns that whoever wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God; but the churches of Christendom and their members are deeply involved in the political affairs of the nations. (James 4:4)

In view of such a record, can it honestly be said that they really adhere to the Bible? I look forward to my adversary's response.
Miyagia

Con

Miyagia forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
Bible13

Pro

Forfeit, that's gonna cost some behavior points...
Miyagia

Con

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Debate Round No. 3
Bible13

Pro

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Miyagia

Con

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Debate Round No. 4
Bible13

Pro

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Miyagia

Con

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Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by shaddamcorrinoIV 2 years ago
shaddamcorrinoIV
As the saying goes: "Whatever my belief is orthodoxy, whatever the other man's belief is heterodoxy."- Wiiliam Wyler, and: "The rule is perfect: in all matters of our opinion our adversaries are insane." Mark Twain
Posted by shaddamcorrinoIV 2 years ago
shaddamcorrinoIV
Pro is using DDO as a platform to promote Watchtower propaganda.
Posted by Sagey 2 years ago
Sagey
If Con arrived back and presented a decent argument, Con may just be able to win this one!
Posted by Sagey 2 years ago
Sagey
Don't think Either of them are coming back, though that would mean Pro wins on who actually presented an argument, Pro likely won't return unless Pro avoids reading this comments section, because information here is against his Governing Council's or Watchtower teachings and thus Pro would be banned from reading it.
Because the watchtower version of the Bible is nothing like the original Bible, much has been removed as it does not allow the JW Governing Council to mind control the poor sheep.

Jehovah Witnesses are really getting ripped off in the intelligence and knowledge stakes, they cannot get a good education and they basically are unemployable in anything technical.
Posted by Sagey 2 years ago
Sagey
BTW: The Bible has no problems with apostates like Jehovah Witnesses do.
They are forbidden to communicate with apostates and those of us who know about the mind control techniques that JWs use to entrap followers.
Most of my knowledge of the history of the JWs is banned from access by JW members.

Enjoy if your govening body will allow it, which I know they won't.
That is why Jehovah Witnesses are not true Christians, because they are mind controlled by a governing body and must follow the Watchtower which distorts Biblical scripture to suit Jehovah Witness mind control based ideology.
Posted by Sagey 2 years ago
Sagey
Most of those are Old Testament or sayings or of Jesus while he was earth bound, where he was according to Christianity morphed into God which keeps it a monotheistic belief system.

If you are right then Christianity is a Polytheistic belief system as there are 2 God like Entities in Heaven.
God and his Demigod son. that is polytheistic.
Posted by Bible13 2 years ago
Bible13
History of trinity: When Constantine became sole ruler of the Roman Empire, professed Christians were divided over the relationship between God and Christ. Was Jesus God? Or was he created by God? To settle the matter, Constantine summoned church leaders to Nicaea, not because he sought religious truth, but because he did not want religion to divide his empire. Constantine asked the bishops, who may have numbered into the hundreds, to come to a unanimous accord, but his request was in vain. He then proposed that the council adopt the ambiguous notion that Jesus was "of one substance" (homoousios) with the Father. This unbiblical Greek philosophical term laid the foundation for the Trinity doctrine as later set forth in the church creeds. Indeed, by the end of the fourth century, the Trinity had essentially taken the form it has today, including the so-called third part of the godhead, the holy spirit.

What the Bible REALLY teaches:

"My Father is greater than I [Jesus].""John 14:28.

"I [Jesus] ascend unto my Father, and your Father, and to my God, and your God.""John 20:17.

"To us there is but one God, the Father.""1 Corinthians 8:6.

"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.""1 Peter 1:3.

"These things saith the Amen [Jesus], . . . the beginning of the creation of God.""Revelation 3:14.

"Jehovah our God is one Jehovah.""Deuteronomy 6:4.

"You, whose name is Jehovah, you alone are the Most High over all the earth.""Psalm 83:18.

"God is only one.""Galatians 3:20.

Bible is very clear about this. It's sad that so many "Christians" don't see it.
Posted by Sagey 2 years ago
Sagey
Your references are all biased to the Jehovah Witness view, which is different from the Christian view, the Christian view is that Jesus is God.
You have just proven that Jehovah Witnesses are not Christian.
They differ in the major tenet of Christianity.
Christians prey to Jesus.
Jehovah Witnesses prey to Jehovah.
Mormons prey to the Old Testament God, as do Jehovah Witnesses.
Neither Mormons nor Jehovah Witnesses are Christians.

Since you have both Jesus and Jehovah together as separate God Like Entities, that makes your religion Polytheistic.
Unless you weld them into one, such as the Dumber than Dumb Catholic based Holy Trinity.
If you weld them into a single entity, Jesus Is God and God Is Jesus.
So to be a Christian, you would worship Jesus alone.
Because to a Christian, Jesus really is God.

You really don't get what being a Christian is.
You need to go and read some real Christian sources.
Not JW biased nonsense.
Posted by Bible13 2 years ago
Bible13
It is not Polytheism. Jesus simply is NOT God. Read this: http://wol.jw.org...
Posted by Sagey 2 years ago
Sagey
Though Christians believe that Jehovah is now Jesus as Jesus replaced Jehovah as the name of their divine leader/God.
That Jehovah morphed into Jesus who is now God, they are the one and the same Omnipotent Entity.
If they are not the same then that is Polytheism.
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Vote Placed by Sagey 2 years ago
Sagey
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Reasons for voting decision: Although I totally disagree with Pro, as Jehovah Witnesses are not Truly Christians since they work from a contrived, doctored (deliberately deceptive) Bible translation and they practice severe Indoctrination of followers in order to keep belief, something Jesus would have Condemned entirely. Jehovah Witnesses have had their rational parts of their brains removed entirely, thus they work from a false Bible and don't practice Christianity properly, Pro is utterly Wrong, but Con forfeited and thus gave the debate to Pro. Demonstrating that Debates never validate anything.