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Jericho Scott should be allowed to pitch in his league

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Started: 8/27/2008 Category: Sports
Updated: 6 years ago Status: Voting Period
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dashdustrider

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if you are the right age and know what you are doing you should be allowed to pitch. The issue at question is the 9 year old in New Haven Conneticut who got banned from pitching and his team disbanding, because he threw 40 miles an hour in a 8-10 league. As the Local attorney John Attorney said, "You don't have to be learned in the law to know in your heart that it's wrong," he said. "Now you have to be punished because you excel at something?"

It also said in this article (http://msn.foxsports.com...) that this 9 year old has not hit any one. Why should he be disallowed from pitching in this league
UptownBrown

Con

Your proposal is based on the core of ethics, right vs. wrong. In this situation you propose that the New Haven, CT league that banned Jericho Scott from playing in the 8-10 age group, because of his 40 mile per hour pitches, is wrong in doing so.

Am I correct on this assumption?
Debate Round No. 1
dashdustrider

Pro

Though some may argue that this league is an instructional league, others may ask why there is a child pitching. By allowing a child to pitch in a league, why should you be allowed to ban the child and dissolve the team. In the article The_Dan wrote on Fox Sports (http://community.foxsports.com...), since when has any one protested how fast a child could throw. Also, in a developmental league wouldn't it be good to see that some one had developed in your league. I am not insulting the other kids in the league, but the adults are acting ridiculousy. In my baseball leagues if you couldn't hit a pitcher you practice hitting faster speeds. The young man said himself that not being able to pitch made him sad. Is this what you would want for your nine year old son, who is playing in a recreational league. It even said on the article that Jericho did not hit a batter. (http://msn.foxsports.com...). Also, isn't life about facing your fears and trying to overcome it. Life is like David and Goliath, except for the fact that David had the guts to fight Goliath fairly, while the league officals and the other adults are trying to cheat shot the Goliath.
UptownBrown

Con

The ethics of - what you propose is failed because right and wrong is molded by societal norms. It is the societal norm that parents and coaches are threatened by a child that is not within the societal norm. Thus the parents- even though Jericho has not hit another child- fear for the safety of their children that cannot adjust their bat speed to match the speed of Jerichos pitches. This is especially crucial in a "developmental" league as The_Dan states.

So opposing parents see the pitcher as being a threat to safety and when someone threatens a child's safety, parents generally defend. Parents defense is to remove the child that throws faster than ALL other 8-10 year olds in the same league. This is a normal reaction found throughout society.

Opposing coaches are charged with three things.
1.) Provide a safe atmosphere for the players to compete.
2.) Provide an atmosphere that is fun and fruitful for the players that are competing.
3.) Teach children lessons that are inherent with competitive sports such as winning, losing, teamwork, focusing, discipline etc.

Jericho Scott's ability to throw consistently faster and harder than any of his peers, has taken away the "perception of safety," the fun of the game when a child realizes that they have no chance at getting on base because they do not possess the advanced skills that their opponent possess. Thus the coaches have the extreme difficulty of teaching lessons, to children that may have trouble comprehending that Jericho is only trying to do well, and not embarrass them.
Debate Round No. 2
dashdustrider

Pro

My opponent is right in the aspect that Jericho pitches harder then all the rest of the kids in his league, but the one thing that he failed to mention was that if Jericho was not in the league, someone else would throw harder. Obviously most of these parents do not fully understand the idea of competition. Yes it is an instrutional league, but if you have kid pitchers then you will have to have some competition. Jericho may be the top dog now but he may not be the top dog later. Of course he may be, but he will inspire others to do better and improve so that they can beat him. It will make the other people in the league understand baseball and strategies.

Also life is about being the best. The best diner, best in the office, even best scholar. Jericho has practiced and shown that he is the best. For people to become even they will need to practice and work as hard as he has. Jericho has raised the bar. Will others try to reach it or just give up because it is hard. In the 2008 little league World Series there was a player who threw 80 miles an hour. He is only 3 years older then Jericho.

Jericho should be allowed to pitch, because in a recreational league all who can should. In argument toward the safety issue, Jericho has shown excellent control and has not hit any batters.
UptownBrown

Con

I respect your defending Jericho but your argument is failed. Developmental leagues, in regards to 8-10 year olds are to develop non players into becoming players. The ability of one should not comprimise the efforts of all. According to the following text Jericho was given option not to pitch.

"The right-hander has a fastball that tops out at about 40 mph. He throws so hard that the Youth Baseball League of New Haven told his coach that the boy could not pitch any more. When Jericho took the mound anyway last week, the opposing team forfeited the game, packed its gear and left, his coach said.

Officials for the three-year-old league, which has eight teams and about 100 players, said they will disband Jericho's team, redistributing its players among other squads, and offered to refund $50 sign-up fees to anyone who asks for it. They say Jericho's coach, Wilfred Vidro, has resigned." http://sports.espn.go.com...

Whereas, the league banned Jericho from pitching, this did not in fact ban him from playing other positions. It was only when he came out for the next game...as a pitcher... did the opposing team forfiet.

Therefor it was by Jericho, his parents or coaches own doing that he was banned from play.

Whereas, Jericho is highly advanced for his age, he had- and still has- the ability to move into the next higher division and pitch with developed players that are closer to his ability than the competition that he was playing against.

Lastly your argument about being the best is failed. To argue the meaning of life in context to this covnersation: Life is not about being best, it is about "Becoming Better". We long to become better, watch people and are impressed by their ability to become better than what we know. There is no best- only better. Jericho belongs in a league where he can become better at a pace that matches his rapid advancement. The other children deserve to become better in an atmosphere that does not frighten them or their parents. When they get to the 11-13 division they will be exposed to better pitching and it will be normal. Right now the advanced pitching is not normal, thus it conflicts with societal norms

Therefor, banning Jericho Scott from the 8-10 year old New Haven, CT Youth Developmental League is the correct decision.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by UptownBrown 6 years ago
UptownBrown
Thank you for that acknowledgement
Posted by xeberus 6 years ago
xeberus
Con wins, he greatest good for the most argument was more than enough.
Posted by dashdustrider 6 years ago
dashdustrider
Well then you are disallowing others from particapating
Posted by UptownBrown 6 years ago
UptownBrown
to the pervious post.

This seems like the same boat that the other kids (8-10yo)are in, being outmatched and it not being fair. So do you let one child create a game that is unfair for the other 99 or do you allow him to play another position or move up?
Posted by halestorm 6 years ago
halestorm
Why should he have to move up to a league with 13-year-olds? They are likely to be throwing much faster than 40 mph, up to 60 in some leagues. Batters are going to be much too ready to hit him if he's pitching as "slow" as that. How can this help him "become better"?
Posted by dashdustrider 6 years ago
dashdustrider
actually it says it Vidro had denied resigning.
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