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Jerusalem is the Jewish Holy Capital

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Started: 9/14/2014 Category: Religion
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Its importance to Christianity should be noted, too.

Since the re-establishment of Israel one claim from the Islamic (namely Palestinian) community is that Jerusalem is in fact their Holy City, and that it's the place Muhammad descended to heaven from. Such claims are baseless for the following reasons that I will outline in my opening argument. Con must be able to argue my statement(s) and provide supported examples of Jerusalem being an Islamic Holy Capital.

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Debate Round No. 1


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Why Jerusalem is the Jewish Holy Capital

Jews have been living in Jerusalem for three millennia. Constituting the largest group of single inhabitants there since the 1840's. Jerusalem contains the Western Wall of the Temple Mount, the holiest site in Judaism. The city has long been celebrated within the religion, and holds ancient significance to the Jewish people.

It is mentioned in the Torah 669 times and Zion (which usually means Jerusalem, sometimes the land of Israel) appears 154 times. Additionally, Jews always pray facing Jerusalem.

Concerning Islam, no reference is made to Jerusalem in the Qur'an. Muhammad never visited Jerusalem and it bares little (if any) historical importance to Muslims. Any interest is primarily political, and not religious.

Examples of its Significance to Judaism

-Facing towards Jerusalem when praying. (As stated above)

-the constant mentioning of its name in prayers. The main example being the closing of Passover service.
At the end of Passover seder and at the conclusion of Yom Kippur, Jews exclaim "L'shanah haba'ah b'Yerushalayim".
(meaning "Next year in Jerusalem")

(In Israel, one concludes, "L'shanah haba'ah b'Yerushalayim habenuyah"- ("Next year in the rebuilt Jerusalem.")

-On Tisha B'Av, the Ninth of Av, Jews mourn for the destruction of both Temples, sitting on the floor of the synagogue to read the Book of Lamentations to a cantillation.

-the shattering of glass at the end of wedding ceremonies is to remember the destruction of Jerusalem and the exile of the Jewish people.

-other special days and holidays celebrating the city. Including "Yom Yerushalayim" (Jerusalm Day)

The books of Psalms highlights this special significance:

"If I forget thee Oh Jerusalem, let my right hand wither, let my tongue stick to my palate if I do not remember you, if I do not set Jerusalem above my greatest joy" (Psalm 137)

In modern times, one of the early Zionist pioneers Natan Chofshi also expresses the importance of Jerusalem:

"I used to pray"for the return to Zion"I particularly recall the prayers during Rosh Hashanah" 'And on that day the horn will blow proclaiming the return of the lost in Assyria and Egypt and their return to the holy mountain of Jerusalem.'



To start i want to state that i do not hate any religion i am just defending my opinions.

It is true that the quaran never actually mentions jerusalem, but that does not mean it has no importance. Also, just because jerusalem is mentioned so many times, does not mean it any more important.

Example of signifigance in Islam

-Sacred to the Sunni people
-The Islamic prophet Muhammad visited the city on a nocturnal journey.
-Because of this journey it was the first Qibla {direction of prayer}
- The dome of the rock is islamic and where Muhammed ascended to heaven
-Al-Aqsa Mosque is considered one of the holiest sites to the Sunni, shiite, and Sufi Muslims
Debate Round No. 2


Ok, acknowledged.

Addressing Your Further Statements

"It is true that the Quran Jerusalem never actually mentions Jerusalem, but that does not mean it has no importance".

The fact that the Quran makes no mention of Jerusalem is an example of that, originally, it was of no significance to Islam. The alleged importance now is still very limited in religious and historical support.

Your examples of its importance are also lacking in theological accuracy.

-Sacred to Sunni Muslims

The claim that Jerusalem is sacred for the Sunni Muslims is actually based on one verse from the Quran, in which it says:

"Glory be to Him Who made His Servant to go on a night from the Sacred Mosque to the Furthest Mosque of which We have blessed the precincts, so that We may show to him some of Our Signs; surely He is the all-Hearing, the all-Seeing."

One verse alone, in which Jerusalem is never mentioned, is hardly a reason for the city to be of such considerable holiness to Sunni Muslims. No mosques existed in Jerusalem until 632. 50 years after Muhammed's death, so it's impossible that any reference was being made to a mosque in Jerusalem in this verse.

-the Islamic prophet Muhammed visited the city on a nocturnal journey

There is no evidence (in the Quran or elsewhere) that Muhammed ever visited the city. Any "visit" would've been a dream, not in real life. When Muhammed made this claim to the Meccan's, even they did not take it seriously. In later years one of Muhammed's wives Aisha, so insisted that it was not a journey (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 265)

-because of this journey it was the first Qibla (direction of prayer)

Again, this a journey that Muhammed did not make. Most Islamic scholars concede that the first direction of prayer was towards Mecca, as it is now. As previously stated, Muslims pray in the opposite direction of Jerusalem.

-the Dome of the Rock is Islamic and where Muhammed ascended to heaven.

Granted that the Dome is Islamic, but the claim that it's where Muhammed ascended to heaven is extremely lacking. Allegedly, he was supposed to have (spiritually) come from Mecca in Saudi Arabia and then to Jerusalem. If it did happen (which is highly unlikely) it again does not indicate any real historical significance to Islam. By "real" I imply something that actually happened in reality, as it has done for the Jews in Jerusalem for over 3000 years.
Additionally, this particular claim claim was made in the Hadith's years after Muhammed's death.

-Al-Asqa mosque is considered one of the holiest sites to Sunni, Shiite, and Sufi Muslims

This premise is based on just one mosque, so as a reason to assert a city being your Holy Capital, it's lacking. There are Muslim mosques in cities all over the world, yet these cities are not laid claim to.





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Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by cheyennebodie 2 years ago
The palestinian people are not blameless in this. They voted in Hamas. They knew that Hamas would keep attacking Israel' Not all of them but certainly a majority. It would be nice if only those who voted for Hamas could be killed. But there is no way.

And my idea is to give Palestine sovereignty. Then when they lob missles into Israel, they can invade and take them out as being attacked by another country.And put them under military rule, like America did after WW2 to Japan and Germany.All of Palestine, not just the fringes.
Posted by Emilirose 2 years ago
"They were born there. Their parents were born there. Their grandparents were born there. Their great grandparents were born there. Add centuries worth of generations", are referring to anyone(s) specific in these assertions? Who exactly are "they"? As previously stated, a large number came under late Ottoman and then British rule. 1920's to 1940's demographics for example outline this. Middle Eastern press in this period reported on the numbers of Arabs emigrating to Palestine in order to seek work.

This particular debate is about whether Jerusalem is the Jewish (or Muslim) holy capital, not whether Palestine belongs to Arabs, or whether Israel commits "ethnic cleansing", or if Judaism is better than Islam. However, if you want to debate the above topics or alike then you should chose your title and send ME a request.

In particular I would be more than happy to debate and clarify the history of the conflict, and Arab presence in Palestine (Israel).
Posted by Dragonfang 2 years ago
They were born there. Their parents were born there. Their grandparents were born there. Their great grandparents were born there. Add centuries worth of generations. Yeah... They don't have a legitimate claim.

Yeah, Romans used that name based on Philistines, which are mentioned in your bible. Also, you gotta be kidding me. Muslims lived in Jerusalem since the 7th century after a conquest against the Byzantine empires, in which Jews were once again allowed to live and practice their religion in Jerusalem. During the centuries Arabs in Palestine had a mixed lineage with the original inhabitants.

Doesn't the three oaths ask Jews not to migrate from exile to the Land of Israel en masse?

The morality of God doesn't change right? Therefore, mass destruction and mass killing of infants and animals are all moral.

You had to resort to a red herring, and trite arguments at that. I am more than willing to engage a debate with, choose a resolution.
Posted by Dragonfang 2 years ago

You are actually defending ethical cleansing? Those "warnings" have nothing to do with saving lives. It is to absolve Israel of all responsibility for killing civilians.
Since their house is going to get carpet bombed pretty soon, where are they going to flee? Last I checked, there is no highway and Gaza is blocked. All it does is install terror and justifies labeling civilians as legitimate targets.
Posted by Emilirose 2 years ago
And btw, G-d commanded the killing of the Amorites because of their own defilement of His law and Israel. For example, when the Israelites wanted to pass through their land from exodus from Egypt, the Amorites refused them safe passage and attacked them.

If we were to debate I could post absolutely numerous examples of Islam promoting murder, sexism, war, and even.pedophilia.

Muhammad himself had a child bride, the age of six. Judaism was around long before Islam, that in itself gives it more credibility.

If you're so sure that your opinions of Israel and Judaism being correct, I suggest you debate me.
Posted by Emilirose 2 years ago
It's kinda amusing that you think they inherited the "Palestinian land", too.
Arabs only began to arrive under the Ottoman Empire, and many (if not the majority) when it was under British rule. The Jewish presence has existed in Israel for over 3000 years, as can be seen with the numerous Jewish artifacts. The name "Palestine" isn't even Arab, it was renamed that by the Romans.
Posted by Emilirose 2 years ago
Israel has NO laws that permit any the below stated things. During the recent Gaza conflict (and others) the IDF made phone calls to residents, sent text messages and distributed leaflets all over Gaza. Such measures are costly and therefore easily refute the argument that the IDF specifically target civilians.

If you're unaware or do not follow the news regularly, Gaza is government by a designated terrorist group named Hamas and has been since 2007, 2 years after.Israel withdrew from Gaza and moved all its Jewish inhabitants. Hamas has initiated all of the conflicts between Israel/Gaza, generally by firing rockets and missiles at civilian targets in Israel. This has lead to Israel investing into an Iron Dome system that prevents many casualties and saves lives. However, it is massively expensive to sustain.

Hamas, on the contrary, invest in weaponry, rockets, and building tunnels.
This summer around 50 Gaza civilians were executed by Hamas for allegedly collaborating with Israel. After it was found that Hamas had no proof, and that the civilians were innocent.
Over 160 children were killed in the constriction of Hamas' tunnels. People are also used as human shields when conflicts take place with Israel. Something there is overwhelming evidence for.
Posted by Dragonfang 2 years ago
Are you serious? By Israeli law justified actions include,

1) Targeting and killing civilians
2) Collective punishment
3) Ethnic cleansing
4) Terrorism toward civilians
5) No rules in war time

Yeah, like Christians who lived in Palestine were treated well and weren't exiled. /sarcasm

Mohammad (PBUH) said:
"I advise you ten things: Do not kill women or children or an aged, infirm person. Do not cut down fruit-bearing trees. Do not destroy an inhabited place. Do not slaughter sheep or camels except for food. Do not burn bees and do not scatter them. Do not steal from the booty, and do not be cowardly."

Their forged Torah (When are the earliest manuscripts? 1200 years after Moses? There are unknown writers and editors in mysterious circumstances; prophets can't write down their own obituary) says:

1 Samuel 15:3
3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.""

Numbers 31:17-18
17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

Deuteronomy 20:16
16 However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes.

Say, "We have believed in Allah and in what was revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and the Descendants, and in what was given to Moses and Jesus and to the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and we are Muslims [submitting] to Him." (Quran 3:84)

There is no problem with coexistence, however to kick the inhabitants out by force and replace them with people from a certain religion half way across the world is unacceptable. Palestinians justifiably have the right to protest illegal occupation of their inherited land.
Posted by cheyennebodie 2 years ago
I never said that Israel brought peace to Jerusalem I said we pray for the peace of Jerusalem.And there would be peace if it were not for Islam.If those palistinians would lay down their arms there would be peace.If Israel would lay down their arms, there would be no Israel. All I see is Islam being a blood thirsty religion. Israel being in control of Jerusalem , all religions would be free to worship in Jwerusalem. As long as they do it peacefully. Christiand have no problems in the Jewish state. Only you muslims do because eyou try to push yourself on others by force. As is evident in all muslim bations.Even killing those who do not see things your way. You are one of the few religions that do that. You use terror to push your religion. Islam came out of the hate of Hager.The concubine of Sarah. When Abraham took Hagar at the request of Sarah, and had Ismael, Sarah drove her out from Abraham.She hated Abraham for that. But God told her he would make a great nation from Ismaels twelve sons.Hagar was not satisfied with that. But embedded that hate for Abraham in those twelve boys. Ebnd they became the Arab nations. That is why there is so much hate still. The hate of Hagar has lasted 4000 years.

God had given the land of Israel to His descendants from Isaac. Not Ismael.If you muslims would get rid of hate for Israel, God would bless you. But until you do, you will always come on the losing end.
Posted by Dragonfang 2 years ago
Exalted is He who took His Servant by night from al-Masjid al-Haram to al-Masjid al- Aqsa, whose surroundings We have blessed, to show him of Our signs. Indeed, He is the Hearing, the Seeing. (Quran 17:1)

O my people, enter the Holy Land which Allah has assigned to you and do not turn back [from fighting in Allah 's cause] and [thus] become losers." (Quran 5:21)

As I said, being one of the three holy praying sites in Islam and a Qibla makes it a holy capital by definition.

*rolls eyes* Saying that Israel brought peace to Jerusalem is like Muslims invading Spain and kicking it's inhabitants, who had a culture for hundreds of years, out on the basis that Muslims once lived there.
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