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Jesus effectively committed suicide by not electing to use divine power to escape death

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Started: 5/19/2015 Category: Religion
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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"By choosing not to use divine power to save himself Jesus effectively committed suicide allowing himself to be killed.", is the claim. Any takers? First post is an opening argument if you choose to accept.


although he did not struggle or fight death, he let himself fall into it because he new his HEAVENLY father would bring him to heaven and told him not to fear death
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Is not what Con described equivalent to any and all fanatical suicides?

As we can see here ( there is not a major difference outside of theological respects and beliefs between suicide and martyrdom.

" Is it martyrdom or suicide? A test

Now, the difference between martyrdom and suicide cannot merely be a matter of the intention of the individual " they are two different acts, regardless of the intention. Thus, we must consider the acts and the ends toward which the acts themselves are directed (and this is different from the intention of the individual).

Here is a simple test: Is the act in doubt ordered to the voluntary death of the individual or not? Is the act a "success" or a "failure" if the individual lives?

In the case of suicide, the act itself is ordered to the death of the individual. Whatever further intention the person might have (for example, "to end the suffering") the immediate end or goal of the act is to bring about the death of the individual (and through this death "to end the suffering").

Now, in the case of martyrdom, the act itself is not ordered to the death of the individual. For example, when St. John the Beloved was thrown into the boiling oil and was delivered alive, this was not a failure on his part, but a success. So, although it is true that one is not a martyr unless he has died, nevertheless, the act itself of accepting martyrdom is not suicide because it is not ordered necessarily to the death of the individual. Rather, the goal (not only of the individual but of the act itself) is to glorify God. Hence, St. John glorified God by surviving, just as St. Peter glorified God by his death."

If Jesus has survived the entirety of Christianity would have indeed crumbled and failed; it would have been a travesty, therefore it is questionable whether, by simply allowing himself death instead of choosing to somehow seek life, it is without a doubt a matter of martyrdom versus a simple suicide in which a man was convinced of something so religiously he thought it necessary to throw his life away. Even with prayers in the Garden of Gethsemane can they be shown as sufficient?


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Posted by AllahoAkbar 1 year ago
This is exactly Islam perspective also, Jesus (pbuh) a prophet of God and he was saved from such (according to the Jew customs) cursed and humiliation death on the cross, Good point Pro.
Posted by kasmic 1 year ago
huh... never thought about it that way... I suppose I agree.
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