The Instigator
DopeDonovan16
Con (against)
Losing
0 Points
The Contender
zgb1997
Pro (for)
Winning
8 Points

Jesus is fake.

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after 2 votes the winner is...
zgb1997
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 11/2/2012 Category: Religion
Updated: 4 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
Viewed: 1,226 times Debate No: 26849
Debate Rounds (5)
Comments (13)
Votes (2)

 

DopeDonovan16

Con

God is fake. How can you believe in such crap?
zgb1997

Pro

I will be the pro side, arguing that Jesus existed. To begin with, I must point out that the resolution stated by my opponent is "Jesus is fake", while in his opening statement he says that "God is fake". While this is most contradictory, my duty as the pro side is to argue about the resolution, thus I shall argue that Jesus existed.

So let's begin.

First, I must say that asking how can someone "believe in such crap" is most unappropriate for a debate and can be considered no reasonal argument and as such warrants no rebuttal.
I shall now state my argumentation as to why Jesus exists.

Jesus most definitely existed and there is overwhelming evidence to support that claim. Famous Roman historians Tacitus and Suetonius speak of the existence of Jesus in their works, and one must keep in mind that they certainly did not write such claims out of religious beliefs; in the Roman Empire, Christianity was outlawed until the Edict of Milan (313 AD) and the mention of Jesus in those works is purely historical.

Many modern atheists, such as the author of the best-selling book "The God Delusion", Richard Dawkins, also believe Jesus existed. They separate his historical existence, however, from his godlike traits and his existence as the son of God, but that is a different matter entirely.

Furthermore, most, if not all, of the people associated with Jesus or mentioned in the stories and records about Jesus were historical and definitely existed, such as the Roman prefect Pontius Pilate, John the Baptist and Herod the Great. I find it most unlikely that a non-existent person would fit into historical records alongside historical people just like that.

To summarize, evidence from historical sources, the definite existence of persons associated with Jesus Christ or mentioned in historical records about him and the beliefs of many modern atheists and antitheists alike are more than enough to safely state that Jesus Christ existed.
Debate Round No. 1
DopeDonovan16

Con

DopeDonovan16 forfeited this round.
zgb1997

Pro

Seeing as my opponent forfeited this round, I have nothing further left to add.
Debate Round No. 2
DopeDonovan16

Con

DopeDonovan16 forfeited this round.
zgb1997

Pro

Due to another forfeit I extend my arguments into this round and have nothin further to add.
Debate Round No. 3
DopeDonovan16

Con

DopeDonovan16 forfeited this round.
zgb1997

Pro

Since my opponent forfeited the fourth and final round as well, I can only extend my arguments to this round and simply state that it is obvious why I have won this debate.
Debate Round No. 4
DopeDonovan16

Con

DopeDonovan16 forfeited this round.
zgb1997

Pro

After once again offering my apologies for incorrectly calling round 4 the last round, I will now extend my arguments into this round and, since it is truly final this time, once again state that it is obvious why I have won this debate.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by natoast 4 years ago
natoast
guess he didn't like your interpretation of his debate.
Posted by natoast 4 years ago
natoast
guess he didn't like your interpretation of his debate.
Posted by natoast 4 years ago
natoast
guess he didn't like your interpretation of his debate.
Posted by zgb1997 4 years ago
zgb1997
I apologise, for some reason I thought the fourth round was the last, so please forgive my statement in round 4.
Posted by philochristos 4 years ago
philochristos
Con forfeited his conduct points before the debate even got started. :-(
Posted by philochristos 4 years ago
philochristos
Con forfeited his conduct points before the debate even got started. :-(
Posted by animalgirl240 4 years ago
animalgirl240
"how can you belive in such crap"is not a good argument!im going with con!
Posted by animalgirl240 4 years ago
animalgirl240
"how can you belive in such crap"is not a good argument!im going with con!
Posted by CriticalThinkingMachine 4 years ago
CriticalThinkingMachine
And Con also changed the topic from whether or not Jesus is real (a debate about historicity) to whether or not God is real (a debate about philosophy and theology). Wow, he's really off to a good start!
Posted by zgb1997 4 years ago
zgb1997
Yes, I noticed that too. I had no choice but to argue against the resolution even though I am Pro, as awkward as that is.
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Vote Placed by Magic8000 4 years ago
Magic8000
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Reasons for voting decision: FF. The conclusion and con make no sense.
Vote Placed by Ron-Paul 4 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: FF.