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John McCain is the Best canidiate for Democrats and Republicans

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Started: 2/3/2008 Category: Politics
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
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RepublicanView333

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I believe John McCain is the best canidiate for both the democrats and republicans.

i also think the democrats biggest fear is a republican taking office and the Republicans (and i can back this up because RepublicanView is a republican and its my biggest fear) biggest fear is a Democrat taking office.

For both sides i believe John McCain is the best Canidiate for the job as president.

I'll say it now, please anyone on the Republican side dont debate and say he's not conservative enough to be a Rep. president, because that is something that will help him, and Dems. dont argue that he's not good enough just b/c he's not a democrat, and RON PAUL supporters all of you in a classification of your own dont just say paul is better, b/c there is no way in hell he will even make it to the November so Paul supportors please refrain from clicking "accept debate" button. i want a serious contender...

And Pauliacs dont turn this debate into "paul is a serious contender"...ok

So again whoever accepts give me a better canidatate for both the Dems and Republicans...simple enough???
Daxitarian

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Well, I just now saw that you had "Ron Paul supports don't debate because he won't make it to November"

Opps.

Which is wrong by itself because there is a chance he could run as an independent or a libertarian since he still has hoards of cash. Plus, just dismissing a candidate because you don't think he will still be around seems to be a cop-out. Does Mike Huckabee really have a chance either? But we can ignore those points for now.

I like John McCain and I have met him in person. He even agreed to be in a video for my school's paradoy news website: http://hub.ou.edu...

But he does have one flaw that troubles me. When he says he isn't an economy guy, he is completely serious. When Ron Paul asked him about his opinion about the president's working group on financial markets, he clearly had no idea what was being addressed.

So it's not so much McCain himself I don't like, but his disadvantage is that he is a senator. The last person we had that went from being a senator to president was JFK, almost a half-century ago. The reason is that senators don't have management experience, which is vital for being the president.

You at least have to concede that Romney and Huckabee have more experience in the executive branch, which would make them more prepared to take office.

Now I could go off on why Ron Paul is the best candidate, but you don't want to know because....err....I can't think of why.

Next round I'll try to come up with arguments for why a democratic candidate would be best. Furthermore, you never gave any reasons WHY John McCain would be the best candidate.
Debate Round No. 1
RepublicanView333

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James Monroe, John Quincy Adams, Andrew Jackson, Martin Van Buren, William Henry Harrison, John Tyler, Franklin Pierce, James Buchanan, Andrew Johnson, Benjamin Harrison, Warren G. Harding, Harry S. Truman, John F. Kennedy, Lyndon B. Johnson and Richard M. Nixon, were all senators before they were President.

There are some pretty impressive names on that list who became president. So does being a Senator really hurt him in his possibility in being a President? i think not.

Now the notion McCain isnt a economical guy is a wrong notion. the statement
"he clearly had no idea what was being addressed" is obserd and false. McCain has admited the economy isn't his best policy but does that mean he isnt prepared. hypothetically if Adam Sandler was a good actor but he didnt fake cry well does that make him a bad actor? McCain bold solutions to stimulate the American economy, believes taxes should be low, simple, and fair and has a track record of commitment to these principles, and he believes America's economic progress requires that the federal government abide by the same standards of common sense and fiscal restraint as hardworking families.

John McCain does know what he is talking about when he addresses the economy.

Now its not that i dont want to hear what all the Paul supporters are preaching BUT i want a serious contender. Paul has 6...6...6...delagates so far compared to Romney's 92 and McCains 97. (as of February 4th)

Now anyway. McCain appeals to both Republican and Democratic voters.

McCain, has the experience and knowledge to be a commander in chief for our country while at War in Iraq. This War is essencal for our national security.
McCain will lower taxes and simplify them. McCain can secur the border and furthur do what will make our country as safe for us, the people, as can be. and he will protect the second amendment.

Now he appeals to dems to...McCain wants to utilize alternative energy sources...we have to end our dependence on foreign oil and McCain is going to go gung-ho and just drop fossil fuels, but he will utilize more clean, efficent energy...But the thing that most appeals to Dems is his ability to compromise and reach across the aisle to get things done, and that is what gives him my support. McCain wont be stubborn (like i believe Romney would) to uphold conservative values, rather he will get things done to help our country, rather than fight with a liberal congress like Bush had to...

The big thing is McCain will get things done wjish is the number one priority in our situation.

and you dont have to back a Democrat, you can defend Romney or Huckabee if there there who you think is the best choice for both Dems, and Republicans for President.
Daxitarian

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"There are some pretty impressive names on that list..."

Reply: It's not being a senator that is a problem, it's that he hasn't held any other type of office besides senator.

James Monroe was a governor, John Quincy Adams held a cabinet position, Jackson was basically a governor, Van Buren was a governor as was Harrison and Tyler. Johnson and Nixon were both vice-president before becoming the head honcho. I won't go into details about all the presidents listed, but you can see the point. Off the top of my head, Kennedy is the only one I can think of that didn't have any executive experience before becoming president, and if it were not for his assassination, it seemed at the time history would not have regarded him as a great president.

"he clearly had no idea what was being addressed [about the president's working group on financials]" is obserd and false."

Reply:....err....I think you are just seeing what you want to see. If anyone is interested, here is a video of the incident. http://youtube.com... He never says anything directly about the group, his opinion of it, or if he would abolish it or not. In case you didn't get a good look at it the first time, watch it again here http://youtube.com...

"hypothetically if Adam Sandler was a good actor"

Reply: Hypothetical indeed.

"but he didnt fake cry well does that make him a bad actor?"

Reply: It would make him a bad dramatic actor, just like John McCain would be a bad executive.

"McCain bold solutions to stimulate the American economy,"

Reply: Such as.....? What does that even mean....?

"believes taxes should be low"

Reply: But he won't vote to make Bush's tax cuts permanent?

"fair and has a track record of commitment to these principles"

Reply: Not exactly. He has done some good things to stop pork-barrel spending and promote free trade, but has also voted for increases in social security taxes, massive spending in No Child Left Behind, and other regulations. Here is what the Club For Growth has to say about him.

[From CFG] "While John McCain can easily point to a handful of pro-growth votes over his twenty-four years in Congress, a deeper look at Senator McCain's record and rhetoric, especially in recent years, ought to give American taxpayers a long and hard pause."

I would say he is more of a mixed bag on these issues than committed to free markets

"Now its not that i dont want to hear what all the Paul supporters are preaching BUT i want a serious contender."

Reply: Fair enough. You started the debate, so you set the parameters. But to say a candidate is the "Best" you have to show they are better than everyone else, not just the one's you choose. Unless your only criterion for best is electability, which means you probably have shallow political convictions. And even if that were the case, Barack Obama would be the best, since he leads in most head to head polls. http://www.realclearpolitics.com...

"McCain appeals to both Republican and Democratic voters."

Reply: So does Obama, what makes McCain better than him? Second, we aren't even through the primaries yet, so it isn't clear who will appeal to voters in November.

"McCain, has the experience and knowledge to be a commander in chief for our country while at War in Iraq."

Reply: There is a difference between serving in the military and having an understanding of how geopolitical structures work. And any candidate who doesn't understand that it is our presence around the world, i.e. trying to "police" the world, that is causing terrorism is woefully unqualified to be in charge of our military. Osama Bin Laden has said himself that if you want to understand what is going on with Al Queda to read the books of Michael Scheuer. And here is what Michael Scheuer had to say about Rudy Guiliani calling Ron Paul's foreign policy absurd:
[Scheuer] "I thought Mr. Paul captured it the other night exactly correctly. This war is dangerous to America because it's based, not on gender equality, as Mr. Giuliani suggested, or any other kind of freedom, but simply because of what we do in the Islamic World – because ‘we're over there,' basically, as Mr. Paul said in the debate." The only candidates who really understand this point are Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich (is he still in the mix?) John McCain hasn't shown that he really gets this. There is a difference between knowing how to fight a war and when knowing when to fight a war. Big difference.

"But the thing that most appeals to Dems is his ability to compromise and reach across the aisle to get things done, and that is what gives him my support....The big thing is McCain will get things done wjish is the number one priority in our situation."

Reply: It's not just getting things done that matters, but getting the right things done. Compromise can be a useful political asset, but the truth doesn't always fall in the middle. Sometimes in trying to be bipartisan, instead of getting the best of both worlds you end up with the worst.

Again, I don't have any huge problems with McCain like some other republicans, just that I don't think he is quite the best choice. I respect him and have a favorable attitude towards him, but I haven't decided if I will vote for McCain should he get the nomination. If he comes down to him and Hilary, I would probably vote McCain. Now if it were McCain and Obama, I might have to consider it further.

Obama is for ending the war, decriminalizing marijuana, and his health care plan is at least better than Hilary's (focusing on subsidizing low-income health insurance, rather than a massive government take over). I think he could be a democratic version of Regean, restoring America's image abroad and making people more optimistic about the future. If he does well, I don't know.

Only time will tell...
Debate Round No. 2
RepublicanView333

Pro

Now your point aout being a Senator is wrong...as a Senator you have to pass laws, make laws, and do a bunch of other stuff about laws...this is great for him because he will have to do a bunch of laws af president pertaining to the economy, war, immigraion, etc., plus he has been in countloess organizations:

Member, American Dream Political Action Committee, 1997-present
Member, Council on Foreign Relations, 1997-present
Honorary Board Member, Hispanic Youth Foundation, 1997-present
Honorary Board Member, The Leonard Cheshire Foundation, 1997-present
Honorary Member, National Hispanic Foundation for the Arts Advisory Council, 1997-present
Honorary Vice Chairman, New Majority Council, 1997-present
Board of Trustees, Gallaudet University, 1995-present
Founding Member, Pacific Council on International Policy, University of South California, 1995-present
Chair, Board of Directors, International Republican Institute, 1992-present
Life Member, Navy League, 1987-present
Member, The Alfalfa Club
Member, Air Force Sergeants Association
Honorary Advisor Board, Arizona Black Chamber of Commerce
Honorary Co-Chair, Advisory Board of Directors, Arizona Cancer Research Foundation
Honorary Member, Arizona Hispanic Chamber of Commerce
Complimentary Member, Association of the United States Army
Honorary Member, Barry Goldwater Foundation
Honorary Member, Fifty-Five Years and Up Incorporated
Honorary Member/Board of Regents, Francis Scott Key Foundation
Honorary Member, The John Goodwin Tower Center
Honorary Board Member, Kids Voting Arizona
Member, The Military Order of World Wars
Honorary Member, Mo Udall Foundation
Board of Directors, Nixon Center for Peace and Freedom
Member, Purple Heart Association
Member, The Retired Officers Association
Member, Sons of the Revolution in the State of Virginia
Member, United States Naval Academy Alumni Association
Member of Board of Visitors, United States Naval Academy
Honorary Member/Board of Directors/Council of Notables, United States-Spain Council
Member, Veterans of Foreign Wars
Member, Vietnam Veterans Association.

Caucuses/Non-Legislative Committees:
Environmental and Energy Study Conference
National Republican Senatorial Committee
Co-Chair, Porkbusters Coalition
Renewal Alliance
Senate Centrist Coalition
Senate Committee for American Indian College Fund
Senate Co-Chair, National Security Caucus
Senate Steering Committee
Senate Wilderness and Public Lands Caucus
Vietnam Veterans in Congress

McCain has all the experience plus much more to be president and being Senator shouldn't hurt him at all.

Now about your vid. McCain clearly answered saying he would use his own advisors, McCain said "he would like to see more sunlight" clearly.

He wouldn't make Bush Tax cuts permanent because they help the rich more than they help the poor.

McCain does what is best for the country, NCLB was good for our country, we need S.S. money, Mccain is gung-ho for greatly decreasing unnessasary goverment spending...all this helps us and McCain does what is best for our country,

Polls mean crap...look at what happened in New Hampshire Obama was suppost to win big...Hilary won...point proven,

#1 we arent "policing the world" we are watching our own backs...if it means setting a democracy in Iraq or taking Iran down so be it...National Security over being "police".

Now McCains military experience does help him, he knos what its like to be in a War, he is an expert on national security and he will do what ever it takes to keep us safe.

WHEN TO FIGHT A WAR! How about when Alqueda blows down 2 of our biggest economical towers, and then Saddam had nukes at disposal...and dont tell me he didnt, he tested them on his own people, (ever heardf of when he gassed the kurds?) and nopw iran has nukes...IRAN ADMITTED TO BER MAKING THEM 4 ATLEAST 18 YEARS...thats when you stand and fight instead of being blown to dust.

Stating McCain will do the wrong things when he wasnt even nominated yet (yet) isnt fair, his record show he will work with Dems on issues to get both sides what they want, will OBama do that with the Reps? i dont kno but McCain already showed he will...

and yes, only time will tell.
Daxitarian

Con

Well, it is looking more and more like it is going to be McCain v. Clinton, so I'll probably vote for him...
...but
You just listed a bunch of clubs he is a member in, not director of, which isn't the same as executive experience. The closest thing on there is being a honorary member of a board, which is just a token position the organization gives out so they can look good, much in the same way a university gives out an honorary degree to a person who didn't actually study at the university.

"Now about your vid. McCain clearly answered saying he would use his own advisors, McCain said "he would like to see more sunlight" clearly."

Reply: He never once said, president's working group on financial markets, just vague statements about how he would get economic advice, and then how he was there when the first taxes cuts were passed, which has nothing to do with the group. Here was John McCain's thought process: "Oh, the question had the word "finical" in it so I better say something economicy." He could at least said that he is not familiar with the group and would investigate it further.

"He wouldn't make Bush Tax cuts permanent because they help the rich more than they help the poor."

Reply: Are you sure he said that or John Edwards said that?

"McCain does what is best for the country, NCLB was good for our country, we need S.S. money, Mccain is gung-ho for greatly decreasing unnessasary goverment spending...all this helps us and McCain does what is best for our country,"

Reply: Privatizing schools and phasing out s.s. would be good for the country, but that is another debate.

"Polls mean crap...look at what happened in New Hampshire Obama was suppost to win big...Hilary won...point proven,"

Reply: That's fine, but that doesn't help your argument about him being electable either.

"#1 we arent "policing the world" we are watching our own backs...if it means setting a democracy in Iraq or taking Iran down so be it...National Security over being "police".

Reply: Preemptive war is never watching your back. There was no threat from Iraq and now we are talking about starting another preemptive war against a country that has virtually no air force and navy and a tiny army. If you haven't figured it out yet, our involvement over there is about oil.

"Now McCains military experience does help him, he knos what its like to be in a War, he is an expert on national security and he will do what ever it takes to keep us safe."

Reply: Being a vet is an advantage for McCain because he realizes that the U.S. can never torture people. That I commend him for. But if he doesn't understand what blowback is, or the history of the CIA and the involvement of the U.S. in the middle east and other places, I wouldn't call him an expert on national security.

"WHEN TO FIGHT A WAR! How about when Alqueda blows down 2 of our biggest economical towers,"

Reply: Iraq didn't attack us on 9/11. Neither did Iran.

"and then Saddam had nukes at disposal...and dont tell me he didnt, he tested them on his own people, (ever heardf of when he gassed the kurds?)"

Reply: First, nuclear weapons are not gas weapons. Second, we gave him those gas weapons (I guess we were watching our back?), Third, you must not be up to date with the news, because even Bush has admitted that there are no WMDs in Iraq. Not now, not in the build up to the war.

"and nopw iran has nukes...IRAN ADMITTED TO BER MAKING THEM 4 ATLEAST 18 YEARS...thats when you stand and fight instead of being blown to dust."

Reply: First, Iran does not have nuclear weapons. They have been trying to make them for some time, but they don't have them. Second, IRAN HAS DONE NOTHING TO US. Even if they did try to send a nuke our way, it would be suicide because we have second strike capability and over 4,000 nuclear warheads that can reach every part of the globe. And don't think handing it off to a terrorist would work, because we would just find out where the plutonium was made. Third, it's because we keep fighting in the middle east and trying to intervene in their affairs (google "Operation Ajax") that they hate us. And now we are saying we will go to war to defend Israel. Israel can defend itself. The point of the American military is to protect THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, not Israel.

" i dont kno but McCain already showed he will..."

Reply: Obama worked with senator Coburn to create an on-line database of what congress is spending our money on.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by ericjpomeroy 9 years ago
ericjpomeroy
McCain should be running as a Democrat. Mark my words, he is going to be horrible for the economy, for the war, and all around for the country. The fact that Republicans are voting for him makes me sick. Romney is the only truly conservative candidate left, Republicans are letting themselves down.
Posted by Patrick_Henry 9 years ago
Patrick_Henry
Not only would have Senator Biden beaten McCain in the polls, President Biden would have gone on to be one of the nation's greatest presidents in history.

It's a shame Democracy blows at putting qualified, talented, capable, and ethical people in office.
Posted by Daxitarian 9 years ago
Daxitarian
Faroog, if you think you can do such a better job then challenge me to a debate.
Posted by Farooq 9 years ago
Farooq
Yah McCain! He'll be going to the White House as a smart, patriotic, reasonable, and idealogically proficent man who superseeds the green blooded Obama, the B***h, the fat guy, big-business Romney, and those wingnuts like Gravel, Paul and Keyes! Go McCain. That said, con did a horrble job at this debate and pro was even worse.
Posted by sccrplyr40 9 years ago
sccrplyr40
president Harding was an idiot fyi
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