Jury system for DDO
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- When creating a debate, the instigator may choose either the traditional voting method or the jury method.
- With the jury method, X active DDO members that are able to vote are randomly selected.
- The instigator and contender then agree on which of those will be selected to the jury.
- Members of the jury are obligated to vote on the debate for which they were selected for.
- No members outside the jury may vote on a jury debate.
- A separate leader board will be created for jury debates.
- Members must vote on at least Y jury debates each month (feel free to adjust the quantities and time frame as needed).
- If a member does not vote on at least Y, they will be excluded from ALL leader boards.
- If a member does not vote on at least Y jury debates because they were not selected for jury duty, they are exempt from being excluded from ALL leader boards.
The terms X and Y are unknown constants which would need to be worked out, but they would be some set number.
More discussion on this can be found in the following thread.
BOP for this debate will be shared. We will be discussing this option a la carte and not part of a larger group.
I thank everyone for taking the time to read, comment, and vote.
Before anything, X = 7 (need an odd number to increase chance of a winner, not a tie, and need decent range to avoid prejudiced bias)
As pro I have the right to amend the issue of the Y votes like this:
A member can pick both methods of voting, they needn't pick one or the other since neither affects their place on the other leaderboard.
If member doesn't vote on 2 debates in a month (this could even vary from 1st Jan to 28th Feb and count), they are merely 'deactivated' from leaderboar (not their account). If they wish to re-enter leaderboard systems they must judge at least 2 a month, minimum of all members.
- Under "dashboard" will be a tab named 'jury duty' On this tab is an active/inactive button (which no needn't alter next time you sign in unless you wish to judge) and also you can select the subjects/topics of debate. (they need only wory about being avilable enough time for two a month, could even do those two the same day)
- All votes require FULL REASONINGS (which is why Y only equals 2)
- All votes are subject to be analyzed by Juggle and any in authority at the time, at DDO. If a member offers a troll reasoning for any kind, they can imediately be threatened with a ban unless they can justify to those in authority that the reason was genuine and sufficient.
- If a debate, like MouthWash and Danielle, where any illegal means of hakcing and/or glitching were used to engage in it, the jury can votebomb against the person using the glitch initially and responsible for it throughout debate (in this case MouthWash) and state because it was too long to read or whatever the glitch caused to happen.
Jury is good because it will avoid ties.
There are a few issues with their additions, namely, any additions that are added after the debate is accepted is up to debate, and not automatically accepted. This is not like a debate with undefined words, but actually a debate where the jury method was defined prior to their acceptance of the debate.
== CON'S CASE ==
We have two major issues with the jury system that will be brought up in this debate. It will encourage abuse towards new members that are unfamiliar with DDO, and it will discourage honest voting by older members.
1) Abuse towards new members
The key to a successful jury system is both members being able to agree upon a set on unbias voters to judge the debate. However, should one member not be familiar with the biases of many DDO users, it allows the other member to control the jury and stack it in their favor. New members will also be less likely to understand the differences between a jury debate and an open voting debate, and so not understand the reasons to pick one of the other. As such we will likely see a wave of newb sniping in these Jury debates along political line.
This a bad for DDO for the reason that it make new members vulnerable to abuse, thus driving them away. Since DDO is a site that survives and grows off of new ideas and new members, such a policy would be bad for the future of DDO. If the membership stagnates, the growth of ideas dies out and the site will become dull and boring, and so older members will leave for somewhere else.
Should new members be driven away from staying, and old members flee out of boredom, the site will eventually die.
2) Dishonest voting
This is actually caused by the exception clause for jury debates, in that if you are not selected for Jury duty, you are not kicked off the leader boards for not participating. This creates the incentive for people to do what they can to not get picked for jury duty. The easiest way for that is to have poor voting. I for one, will say, that if any "jury system" forces me to vote, I will vote bomb all until people stop trying to force me to vote. Other prominent members have suggested that they would flat out leave if any system were to try and force them to do anything.
By vote bombing, I fulfill my obligation to vote, while at the same time help ensure that no one else will demand that I be a part of their jury. This is not unlike real world situations where people pretend to be racist and bigots just to avoid jury duty , as George Carlin said, "Tell the judge you'll make a great juror, as you can spot guilty people just by looking at them."
By doing so, I will be allowed to stay on the leader board, while the honest voters will continue to be targeted and forced to vote against their will. This is the best way to kill honest voting.
I will keep the round short with this and pass it on to my opponent.
RationalMadman forfeited this round.
FIne but the point is that I have number one ties on DDO beca of lack of voting and am the perfect example of the issue at hand.
It is a corrupt system that I would benefit from.
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Vote Placed by Logical-Master 3 years ago
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