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indianajones644
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Ragnar_Rahl
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30 Points

KFC Abuses their chickens.

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 8/13/2008 Category: Society
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
Viewed: 4,634 times Debate No: 5005
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indianajones644

Pro

KFC abuses their chickens and kills them inhumanely. I will begin debating once my challenge is accepted. Thank you, and good luck.
Ragnar_Rahl

Con

"Abuse refers to the use or treatment of something (a person, item, substance, concept, or vocabulary) that is seen as harmful.

a�buse (ə-byūz') pronunciation
tr.v., a�bused, a�bus�ing, a�bus�es.

1. To use wrongly or improperly; misuse: abuse alcohol; abuse a privilege.
2. To hurt or injure by maltreatment; ill-use.
3. To force sexual activity on; rape or molest.
4. To assail with contemptuous, coarse, or insulting words; revile.
5. Obsolete. To deceive or trick.

1. It is not wrong or improper to kill a chicken inhumanely. They are not human, i.e. not rational animals. The term "Humane," is derived from the middle english "Humain," human, i.e. behavior that is "humane" is behavior that is proper toward a human. This does not mean it is proper toward a chicken.

2. It is not possible to perform "maltreatment" upon a chicken. Chickens, you see, as nonrational creatures, have no notions of good or bad. They are not evaluative creatures, they have no values. Since "maltreatment" means bad treatment, and the chickens are not capable of evaluating whether treatment toward them is good or bad (no one else is qualified to judge it as "bad" if the chicken does not), it is not bad treatment. It may be bad toward a human, but that is immaterial toward a chicken.

3. KFC does not rape their chickens as far as I know, and if you wish to claim it, the burden of proof for the claim (and the debate for that matter) is on you.

4. KFC does not assail chickens with words, they cannot understand words, and thus are immune to any such assailment.

5. Since KFC cannot communicate with chickens, it obviously has a hard time deceiving or tricking them.
Debate Round No. 1
indianajones644

Pro

"It is not wrong or improper to kill a chicken inhumanely. They are not human."

Quite obviously, what I view as wrong, and what you think as wrong are two entirely different wrongs. "They are not human." What of it, sir? They have thoughts, and they feel pain the same way.
www.kentuckyfriedcruelty.com Someone, anyone view this website and explain to me how this is not abuse.

You should be aware that KFC abuses their chickens; they slit their throats, electrocute them and drop them in scalding water all while still alive. The employees do nothing to stop this, jumping on the chickens, breaking their necks and wings, urinating on them, (leading to food poisoning) and brutally throw them against walls and into crates.
The chickens are raised in overcrowded factories, and slaughtered as young chicks. In order to get a sufficient amount of meat from such young, small animals, they drug them until they grow so large their legs cannot support their own weight, and must drag themselves along the ground. Their beaks are chopped off soon after hatching, sometimes causing so much pain to the animals; they lose the will to eat. Please change your eating habits until KFC promises to treat their animals with respect.
Ragnar_Rahl

Con

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Quite obviously, what I view as wrong, and what you think as wrong are two entirely different wrongs. "They are not human." What of it, sir? They have thoughts, and they feel pain the same way."

They indeed have pain (which is on the sensational rather than rational level), thoughts however are a different matter. Thought, i.e. the use of reason, is precisely what defines a human (not a homo sapiens, but humans in the philosophical sense).

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www.kentuckyfriedcruelty.com Someone, anyone view this website and explain to me how this is not abuse."

Already did.

The rest of the round is irrelevant, you have yet to show how such treatment toward chickens constitutes "Abuse."
Debate Round No. 2
indianajones644

Pro

indianajones644 forfeited this round.
Ragnar_Rahl

Con

Kentucky Fried Chicken may not abuse chickens, but Kentucky Fried Forfeits sure as heck abuse debates.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by DarkBitch 9 years ago
DarkBitch
Why would the chicken producers want to chop of the beaks if it causes them TO lose the will to eat??? Especially when in the previous sentence (round 2) you tried to convince us that they want them so fat they can not even walk,... ??

Cant make money off dead sick chickens,.. the idea is to sell them for food,.. if they are all dying before they can be processed for food, the producer gets no money.

This is like a car sales man slashing the tires, denting the hood, and pulling the engines out the cars hes trying to sell,.. HE isn't gonna sell to many cars doing that is he??

DUMB!!!"

To stop them fighting/pecking/killing each other as they are kept packed together in such enclosed spaces.
Posted by Ragnar_Rahl 9 years ago
Ragnar_Rahl
Cheesy comments like that, I hope, will discourage people from forfeiting too many rounds... I hope.
Posted by Harlan 9 years ago
Harlan
"Kentucky Fried Chicken may not abuse chickens, but Kentucky Fried Forfeits sure as heck abuse debates."

Seriously? Come on.
Posted by bthr004 9 years ago
bthr004
Why would the chicken producers want to chop of the beaks if it causes them TO lose the will to eat??? Especially when in the previous sentence (round 2) you tried to convince us that they want them so fat they can not even walk,... ??

Cant make money off dead sick chickens,.. the idea is to sell them for food,.. if they are all dying before they can be processed for food, the producer gets no money.

This is like a car sales man slashing the tires, denting the hood, and pulling the engines out the cars hes trying to sell,.. HE isn't gonna sell to many cars doing that is he??

DUMB!!!
Posted by bthr004 9 years ago
bthr004
This was an easy debate to win by con,.. KFC does not harvest their own chickens,... case closed
Posted by LR4N6FTW4EVA 9 years ago
LR4N6FTW4EVA
"its like when another person abuses somone wwith a mental disbility its ok becuse most of the time they fake there disability"

What?!?!?!?!? Are you saying what I think you're saying, because if you are, wow...
Posted by zaqsrfcd77 9 years ago
zaqsrfcd77
THE PARTICULAR CHICKENS ARE RASIED FOR PEOPLE TO CHEW, EAT, AND DIGEST.
Posted by deathknight1559 9 years ago
deathknight1559
i think that kfc is a good place for dinner and their fried chicken skin is so good aahhhhfghgs and i would also like to state its only meat what the hell serious its like when another person abuses somone wwith a mental disbility its ok becuse most of the time they fake there disability
Posted by Ragnar_Rahl 9 years ago
Ragnar_Rahl
lol notice all the signs? They are so protest happy they even protest their own game...

And it didn't let me pick up a second power up when I had a first, so I guess they are socialist too :D.
Posted by LR4N6FTW4EVA 9 years ago
LR4N6FTW4EVA
PETA is trying to brainwash me. I just destroyed a KFC branch in their Mario Bros. rip-off. I get points for that... wow.
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