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liberalconservative
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james94
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KKK and neonazi movements should be banned

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Started: 3/10/2008 Category: Politics
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
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liberalconservative

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in the Constitution the rights given to citizens are supposed to be acknowledged to only those that pledge over all but under god, if these members of evil associations pledge the kkk or skin head groups above there country i believe it is treason, they have no right to do such things and by god shouldn't.
james94

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I believe everybody in this country has a way to believe how they want to.Whether you are with the kkk or nazis does not matter, we are a free country.You stated we are one nation under god,but we are a free country so people have the freedom of speech and how they think.This is in our constitution.How do you know if this is bad can you prove this? Prove to me how this is bad, because we do have the right to believe the way we want.And my next question to you which god are you talking about?

stay tune for my next round goodbye.
Debate Round No. 1
liberalconservative

Pro

"we are a free country"-for its dedicated citizens, you see the constitution sets that only those who favor it above all other, but god. should be endowed with these inalienable rights. so suck it mr. my line isn't dramatically correct.
james94

Con

well it seems to me that you can't prove anything about why the nazis and kkk should be not of this country and be banned.I think that we are all americans and we need to come together whether we are nazis, kkk, baptist, catholics, or what ever, it does not matter.Our constitution stands for freedom and we should not bann anything.

Ok here we go again bann this don't do that, is that america the land of opportunty or is it the land of opportunity for someone else.We are so divided its not funny.KKK and nazis and i quote have as much rights in this country as we do, because we are all americans.

SO now stay tune for my round three bean bat.

Ps you did not answer my question from previous round?
Debate Round No. 2
liberalconservative

Pro

listen all i really have to say here is that the constitution shouldn't be protecting those trying to destroy it or ironically trying to take freedoms for other ethnic groups.
james94

Con

It appears to me you said something about other ethnic groups interferering with other americans and our constitution what does that have to do with anything.We as americans have rights so does Nazis,KKK ,or anybody else and even muslims, because we are all americans and we need to come together,as one country of people.

You have not demonstrated nothing in this debate or proven anything in your argument.You really need to research your topic before you start a debate.Well goodbye to this debate.Thanks for the debate.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Ragnar_Rahl 9 years ago
Ragnar_Rahl
"It always comes down to agreement with me that Islam IS hate speech, and SHOULD be outlawed
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"Hate speech" is still speech. It is not a plan but an assertion. If you outlaw man's rights, the terrorists win.

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But since there are SO MANY of them (Islamists) that you simply give up and say "we have to accomodate this evil""

No, I DON"T. YOU ARE FULL OF (censored)...

This is known as the STRAW MAN FALLACY.

I said nothing about "accommodate." Argue, and kill those who act on it. But allow it to be spoken, like any other word.

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Witness the kowtowing to CAIR here"

"CAIR?"

?

You simply dont understand history and where we are in it

Right, you haven't noticed the huge publicity boost that christianity gets every time someone bans it, but I don't understand it :D.

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The war is Islam vs the west"

So where does the east (such as your buddhism) play into it?

the war is, physically the looters versus the producers, and intellectually, reason versus faith. These wars are separate, and it is possible for a given person to be on the positive side for one and the negative for another, or even to be ambigous. The tactics of the physical demand proof of guilt in the physical to be used, or one is damned in both.
Posted by Solarman1969 9 years ago
Solarman1969
It always comes down to agreement with me that Islam IS hate speech, and SHOULD be outlawed

But since there are SO MANY of them (Islamists) that you simply give up and say "we have to accomodate this evil"

Witness Britain
Witness Europe
Witness the kowtowing to CAIR here

You simply dont understand history and where we are in it

The war is Islam vs the west

the axis includes anyone else who allies with Islam (ie the communists Chavez , Kim Jong Il and that ilk

after Chechnya and the Beslan school massacre, they have alientated the communist USSR, but there is still that part of the axis as well.

Pressure needs to be put on the moderate Muslims to end the virulent strains of ISLAM
Posted by Ragnar_Rahl 9 years ago
Ragnar_Rahl
"Your liberal logic is flawed"

I'm liberal now?

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"Don't ban their thought process though, or you'll have a few million martyr's instead of just the extremists"

Dont oppose evil- or you will make them MAD!

Thats the stupidest thing I have ever heard
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There is a world of difference between "Don't censor" and "Don't oppose." You need to learn it.

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Glad we didnt follow that logic with the Nazis, Japs and other axis powers (including Islamists)
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Actually we did. We killed the nazis and the rest of the axis powers, but we didn't ban their ideology (the socialists in Europe did later of course :D).

"speech is one thing

plotting to or

- taking M16s and killing religious students
- hiajcking airlines
- seting off bombs in public places
- convincing young people to strap bombs to themselves

is NOT free speech
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There are muslims who dont do that you know. A lot of them.
Posted by mjg283 9 years ago
mjg283
Obviously, terrorist attacks and direct solicitation of terrorist acts are not free speech. I never argued otherwise.

And of course, the logic that leads to these evil acts must be vigorously attacked. My point was that you can't ban speech and a religion just because you find its ideas offensive. That doesn't apply to speech that defames, threatens or defrauds people or speech that directly solicits somebody to commit a crime. But banning Islam GENERALLY is a no-go, even if such a policy were even possible.
Posted by Solarman1969 9 years ago
Solarman1969
speech is one thing

plotting to or

- taking M16s and killing religious students
- hiajcking airlines
- seting off bombs in public places
- convincing young people to strap bombs to themselves

is NOT free speech

is it NOT acceptable

the SOURCE OF LOGIC for such ACTIONS must be ATTACKED VIGOROUSLY for the CANCER and EVIL that it is.
Posted by mjg283 9 years ago
mjg283
As a Jewish person, I'm not glad Nazism is banned in Europe at all. The solution to hate speech (a term I'm actually not fond of, but that's another matter) is not censorship, but MORE speech -- to show that people espousing such nonsense have no clue what they're talking about. When you censor it, you make it seem like you're afraid to fight it head on, implicitly giving it some validity.
Posted by Solarman1969 9 years ago
Solarman1969
Your liberal logic is flawed

"Don't ban their thought process though, or you'll have a few million martyr's instead of just the extremists"

Dont oppose evil- or you will make them MAD!

Thats the stupidest thing I have ever heard

Glad we didnt follow that logic with the Nazis, Japs and other axis powers (including Islamists)

Glad that Nazism is BANNED in Germany and Europe as well

Islam needs to be next
Posted by Ragnar_Rahl 9 years ago
Ragnar_Rahl
Come to think of it closer to a billion than a "few million."

:D
Posted by Ragnar_Rahl 9 years ago
Ragnar_Rahl
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Now its the job of the Islamists"

Then why are you doing it?

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Watch what they do- ban books, destroy temples and 1000 year old statues, riot when cartoons are drawn etc
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Then um.... kill the people who ban books, destroy temples and statues, and riot when cartoons are drawn. Don't ban their thought process though, or you'll have a few million martyr's instead of just the extremists :D
Posted by Solarman1969 9 years ago
Solarman1969
schuck sez "Odd i thought it was the job of... nazis to ban everything they don't like"

It was

Now its the job of the Islamists

Watch what they do- ban books, destroy temples and 1000 year old statues, riot when cartoons are drawn etc

argue with that, schmuck
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