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Enoch_deftinwolf
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ZakYoungTheLibertarian
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Karl Marx's theory of alienation can be proven in the U.S workforce.

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Started: 2/12/2014 Category: Philosophy
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Enoch_deftinwolf

Pro

Karl Marx's lesser known theory of alienation can clearly be seen in the U.S. working class.
known as "Entfremdung" (estrangement) it designates the types of human relations which are not controlled by their participants,causing Such relations to present themselves as the separation of things that naturally belong together; and the placement of misappropriated hostility, which stems from the systemic result of living in a socially stratified society.

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ZakYoungTheLibertarian

Con

Wage labour, far from having an alienating effect causes the formation of relationships. Many people meet friends and lovers through their work. When you go to work you meet people who work there, and because you see them again and again it's easy to get to know them and they become your friends.
Debate Round No. 1
Enoch_deftinwolf

Pro

as what you stated may be true, i must point out that most worker relations are competitive in nature. and there are three types of alienation aside from worker to worker. as in alienation of the worker from the act of working itself, and the alienation of the worker from the product.
in one such example, say you are a customer in a cafe, you enter, and you decide instead of purchase something you attempt to loiter or converse with one of the employed. once they find out you have no intention of buying anything you will be either ignored or asked to leave. if your not going to give them money, your nothing to them, here we see the alienation, you are a customer/consumer not a person.
ZakYoungTheLibertarian

Con

The purpose of a business is to provide much needed products to consumers. Someone who is not there to participate in the act of buying or the act of selling or providing that good or service is only going to get in the way and thus should be kicked out. This person should get a job instead of being a lazy loafer hanging out in cafes where no one wants them to be. Really this concept of alienation is nonsense. There's nothing to do. Work is just work not some grand metaphor or life or the struggle of the exploited vs the capitalist class. In reality the worker and their boss are in harmony, their interests both mutually served by their actions and the consumer benefits. It's win / win. The capitalist takes the risk, provides the capital and takes his earnings later rather than right now unlike the worker. The worker is no less involved in his work than if he were working for a worker's council. The whole concept is very fuzzy and frankly incorrect.
Debate Round No. 2
Enoch_deftinwolf

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ZakYoungTheLibertarian

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Debate Round No. 3
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