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Timefreezer4
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Knights vs. Bishops in Chess

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blaze8
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 2/11/2014 Category: Miscellaneous
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Timefreezer4

Pro

First debate. Anyone want to challenge me in this overdone debate/argument/battle? I will be defending their equality.

Rules:
My opponent must have at least 3 pros for the B/N's abilities.
This will remain civil, no deliberately insulting each other.
No vulgar language!! (Hell is okay)

Voters, chime in your opinions too, I would love to read them and give feedback!
blaze8

Con

I'll accept this debate. While my opponent does not specify which side we will each be arguing, I will inevitably discuss my side by a systemic evaluation of the piece's capabilities in the following aspects: The middle game, the end game, and individual matchups between other pieces.

I look forward to a great debate! Chess is my favorite past-time!
Debate Round No. 1
Timefreezer4

Pro

Timefreezer4 forfeited this round.
blaze8

Con

Well. My opponent forfeited. I'll just take the opportunity to post my position, and briefly explain why, and then leave it to my opponent.

Bishops are superior in chess to knights. Firstly, their mobility is extremely valuable. Knights have limited range, and while a centrally posted knight has good coverage over the board, they are only useful in tight spaces. Tight spaces mainly arise out of dense pawn structures or a cramped defensive position, again due to the pawn structure. In the beginning of the game, Knights are useful, especially for black if they play hypermodern defenses like the Pirc Defense, or stick to more traditional defenses like Philidor's Defense, the French Defense, or Four Knights game. The Knight's usefulness is immediately forsaken the minute liquidation occurs, however. Once the cramped positions are freed up, either by exchange or by the natural course of the game, the bishops take over.

The Bishop is superior in the middle and endgame, and as a chess player, you should be making exchanges with the endgame in mind. For this reason, exchanging a Bishop for a Knight is generally a very bad choice, because as the game goes on, your opponent will have the two bishops to utilize as weapons, while you will have only one. Thus, even in the opening, you should be prioritizing your bishop pairs over your knights. Your knights should be utilized to either blockade pawns or occupy a central post. The Bishops are weapons, and when utilized correctly in space open enough, will outshine their Knight counterparts.

The Bishop is superior in the endgame because of it's range. A bishop can move the length of the board in one move to come back and act as a blockading piece, albeit a weak blockading piece, but sufficient under the right circumstances. A knight will waste four or five moves to reach the same position, meaning if you wish to utilize it as a blockading piece or to present a threat to your opponent's endgame strategy of queening pawns, you must begin the long trek early, and in the process, forsake other strategy.

The Bishop also has an advantage in the Bishop-pawn pairing. While immobile, it is extremely strong and resistant. In a game with few open files, a bishop-pawn pairing in the right place can completely block off an open file to your enemy. A knight lacks the strength, because it does not protect the pawn, while the bishop and pawn protect each other.

Finally, the most important aspect that demonstrates the Bishop's superiority. The bishop can both fork and pin. The knight can only fork. In the endgame the ability to pin is extremely valuable. Pinning a piece forces your opponent to waste a move to free it up, or lose the piece until he does. Knights cannot perform that function, while the bishop can, and in the endgame, a pinned piece can be a momentum-shifting event.

I will now hand this debate to my opponent, with the hopes that it can continue without forfeiting. Should he forfeit the next round, I will refrain from posting any relevant content until he is able to conduct the debate.
Debate Round No. 2
Timefreezer4

Pro

Timefreezer4 forfeited this round.
blaze8

Con

My opponent forfeited this round. I now move the debate to him, in the final round.
Debate Round No. 3
Timefreezer4

Pro

Timefreezer4 forfeited this round.
blaze8

Con

Well, guess that's it then. I had hoped for a good discussion, but I guess not, as my opponent has forfeited this final round as well. That's the end of the debate, so I thank my opponent for at least setting it up, and wish he had continued participating.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by Fox-McCloud 3 years ago
Fox-McCloud
I prefer bishops actually.
Posted by Synergetics 3 years ago
Synergetics
They seem matched to me. Knights together and bishops together both can deliver checkmate. And while may argue "good knight vs. bad bishop", that sort of thing shouldn't happen if you have the foresight to avoid it.
Posted by blaze8 3 years ago
blaze8
Sorry, I missed where my opponent stated that he would argue their equality. I have a question for my opponent. When you say "overdone," do you mean this will be a troll debate? Or is this meant to be serious? I'll take the position that bishops arethe more valuable piece overall if this is supposed to be a serious debate.
Posted by kbub 3 years ago
kbub
You can get a checkmate more easily with two bishops.
Posted by saxman 3 years ago
saxman
Knights aree wayyyyy better. You can get a checkmate with 2 knights.
Posted by kbub 3 years ago
kbub
Bishops. Unless you count bughouse.
Posted by Speakerfrthedead 3 years ago
Speakerfrthedead
could you please clarify the objectives of this game?
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Vote Placed by codemeister13 3 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Forfeit by Pro left Con's arguments entirely uncontested.
Vote Placed by Lightningstar 3 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Being the only one who participated con wins.
Vote Placed by Krazzy_Player 3 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Interesting debate ruined due to forfeit.
Vote Placed by Zarroette 3 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Con's arguments went entirely uncontested, and so, I'm giving arguments and conduct to Con.