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Kingjames
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bluesteel
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Kobe is a better basketball player than Lebron James

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 11/26/2010 Category: Sports
Updated: 6 years ago Status: Voting Period
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Kingjames

Pro

I believe by far Kobe is a better player. He has managed to prove he is one of a kind even with all the publicity that was said about him. He has accomplished many great acheivements like 5 championships mainly because of him, back to back championships without Shaq, in order for Lebron to eevn be compared, he needs to win a championship
bluesteel

Con

Thanks for the topic Kingjames.

I think it ironic that my opponent chose this name when he thinks Kobe is a better player.

Proceeding with the debate.

==My case==

C1) Tangibles

On nearly every tangible measurement, Lebron is better than Kobe.

---Offense---

Lebron averages more points per game, has more assists, and has a better shooting percentage than Kobe.

Lebron averages 27.7 points per game, Kobe only averages 25.3

Lebron averages 7.0 assists per game, Kobe only averages 4.7

Lebron shoots 47.4% from the field; Kobe only shoots 45.4%

---Defense---

LeBron outrebounds Bryant, outsteals him and blocks more shots

Lebron averages 7 rebounds per game; Kobe only averages 5.3

Lebron averages 1.7 steals per game; Kobe only averages 1.5

Lebron averages 0.9 blocked shots per age; Kobe only averages 0.6

[1] [2]

A triple-double is the accumulation of a double-digit number total in three of the five categories (points, rebounds, assists, steals, and blocked shots) in a single game. Lebron has more triple-doubles than Kobe, even though Kobe has played hundreds more games than Lebron. [3]

C2) Intangibles

Kobe is very hard to work with. Phil Jackson, in his book The Last Season: A Team in Search of Its Soul chronicles the Laker's 03-04 season and calls Bryant "uncoachable." Shaq departed the Lakers after the 2004 NBA Finals citing a heated feud with Kobe.

In contrast, Lebron shows a great deal of team spirit and leadership, prompting him to win the Team Captain position on the USA Olympic team in 2008. "Off the court, he has cajoled his teammates, reminding Dwight Howard to push himself more and telling Kobe Bryant to quit gambling so much for steals . . . [James said:] ‘it's a team camaraderie thing for me. I'm all about team.'" [4]

==Rebuttal==

Kobe has won more championships than James simply because Kobe has been on a better team, until now. Kobe has been alongside big man Shaquille O'Neil for 3 of his championship wins. 3 of his former teammates Karl Malone, Gary Payton, and Shaq are future Hall of Famers. For his most recent win, he was alongside Lamar Odom, Andrew Bynum, and Pau Gasol, a clutch center, as well as Ron Artest, a great defensive player, and Sasha Vujacic, a great sixth man.

The only decent player on the Cavaliers was Mo Williams, and they only acquired him in 2008. On the Miami Heat, alongside Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosh, Lebron James has a much better shot at a championship.

Kobe has also been playing twice as long as Lebron, so he has had many more chances at a championship ring. Given that James has a longer career ahead of him and a much better team this year, it is extremely likely that he will catch up to Kobe's impressive list of championship wins.

Even if he doesn't, Lebron is still a better player. Lebron wasted 7 chances already at a championship by playing for the Cavs; Kobe had a shot at a championship from his career start. The only proper way to compare the two is head to head, removing the variability from the teams they have played on. In a head-to-head comparison, Lebron clearly wins.

==Citations==

[1] http://sports.yahoo.com...
[2] http://sports.yahoo.com...
[3] http://www.suite101.com...
[4] http://sportsblog.projo.com...
Debate Round No. 1
Kingjames

Pro

Kingjames forfeited this round.
bluesteel

Con

Wooow, my opponent was ready to have arguments due every 3 hours and yet he forfeits...

Too bad.

Extend my case - vote Con.
Debate Round No. 2
Kingjames

Pro

Kingjames forfeited this round.
bluesteel

Con

Lebron wins, ergo bluesteel wins.
Debate Round No. 3
Kingjames

Pro

Kingjames forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by bluesteel 5 years ago
bluesteel
lol, not at all. Was playing devil's advocate here but I don't think looking at pure stats would hold ground against a good debater. Plus, I like Kobe more :P
Posted by Danielle 5 years ago
Danielle
Bluesteel, wanna debate this? ;)
Posted by PhoenixWright 6 years ago
PhoenixWright
Well, this is a clear win. . .
Posted by BlackVoid 6 years ago
BlackVoid
Two epic fails here. 1. The forfeits. 2. Pro's name is Kingjames.

I could not have put bluesteel's word better myself.
Posted by m93samman 6 years ago
m93samman
lul
Posted by TallIndianKid 6 years ago
TallIndianKid
yeeeee go lebron
Posted by bluesteel 6 years ago
bluesteel
"For every round of debate, you will have 3 hours to post your argument."

I don't want to be up all night waiting for your argument. Change to much shorter or much longer and I'll accept.
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