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LD DEBATE IS SUPERIOR TO ALL OTHER FORMS OF DEBATE

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Started: 3/21/2008 Category: Society
Updated: 8 years ago Status: Voting Period
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iadebater

Pro

I would like to see someone come up with arguments against the resolution. Policy debate is like playing with pokemon cards, public forum is illigite and congress is for those too nervous to have a little pressure to win.
rnsweetheart

Con

Policy is not like playing with pokemon cards. Policy is the best form of debate along side Parlimentary debate in college.
Policy is superior to L.D. in this list
1.Policy debaters have to be committed to success and research in order to maybe get ahead in the game of debate. Most L.D.'s can just B.S. rounds.
2. Policy debaters have to make their cases to a point to be able to go up against other debaters with those cases. I.E., they run Health care case, so you have a counter health care case. In L.D. you do that sometimes, policy, you have to do that all the time.
3. Policy debaters have to memorize all the evidence they use and write 8 minute speeches in some cases off the top of their head plus, it has to be fast. L.D. sometimes has spreaders, policy always needs spreaders.
4.Policy debate is the hardest debate type in high school, by far, for all the reason plus more.
I will not get into parli, because I am disgusted that he thinks policy is playing with pokemon cards.
Debate Round No. 1
iadebater

Pro

1.Policy debaters have to be committed to success and research in order to maybe get ahead in the game of debate. Most L.D.'s can just B.S. rounds.

---That itself is alot of BS. LD debaters have to be committed to success as well, i don't think that LD debaters WANT to fail..... you also have to research alot as well. You have to use evidence in your cases or else you will fail. In this you also have to memorize your evidence and others' as well.

2. Policy debaters have to make their cases to a point to be able to go up against other debaters with those cases. I.E., they run Health care case, so you have a counter health care case. In L.D. you do that sometimes, policy, you have to do that all the time.

---I don't see how this makes policy superior, but i will argue it anyway. You also have to do this ALL the time in LD. You have to know what cases to run and how they will clash against specific other cases. Some cases work better against certain others i.e. deterrance against nuke war.

3. Policy debaters have to memorize all the evidence they use and write 8 minute speeches in some cases off the top of their head plus, it has to be fast. L.D. sometimes has spreaders, policy always needs spreaders.

---First, LD does have it's spreaders. Like I said befor you have to memorize evidence in LD as well. AND... spreading is for those who want to be cheap. Spreading isn't arguing it's throwing enough at a person so that they cannot possibly respond. LD is superior because judges tend to look negativly towards cheap debating while policy favors it.

4.Policy debate is the hardest debate type in high school, by far, for all the reason plus more.

---What other reasons? Seeing as there arn't reasons why it's hard it isn't the hardest. LD involves alot more debate, Policy is debating like pokemon cards because it's who has the best evidence that wins. You agree that parli is not superior to either LD or policy so we won't debate that.

IT IS OFFICIALLY LD VS. POLICY FROM HERE ON OUT
rnsweetheart

Con

"That itself is alot of BS. LD debaters have to be committed to success as well, i don't think that LD debaters WANT to fail..... you also have to research alot as well. You have to use evidence in your cases or else you will fail. In this you also have to memorize your evidence and others' as well.", Yes you research, but the debate must never be driven by evidence, it must be driven by who is more convincing.

"---First, LD does have it's spreaders. Like I said befor you have to memorize evidence in LD as well. AND... spreading is for those who want to be cheap. Spreading isn't arguing it's throwing enough at a person so that they cannot possibly respond. LD is superior because judges tend to look negativly towards cheap debating while policy favors it. ", spreading isn't weak, if you have two spreaders against eachother. It is a battle of greatness and the most information from both sides.

"---What other reasons? Seeing as there arn't reasons why it's hard it isn't the hardest. LD involves alot more debate, Policy is debating like pokemon cards because it's who has the best evidence that wins. You agree that parli is not superior to either LD or policy so we won't debate that. ", It is not pokemon cards, do you have any idea the amount of refutation it takes in policy to win. The better evidenc does not always win, when it comes to refutation of that evidence. Because everyone has the same evidence in most cases.
Debate Round No. 2
iadebater

Pro

iadebater forfeited this round.
rnsweetheart

Con

Okay well I'm sorry my opponent argues with my arguements so I win, I am terribly sorry your computer could not work.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by DPChouDobson 7 years ago
DPChouDobson
That's not true. When tournaments start placing judges from other events into Policy and LD, and move those judges into IEs, both debates get screwed over. This happened recently at a tournament in Arizona.
Posted by anikiforouk 8 years ago
anikiforouk
ld is not best
Posted by DrAlexander 8 years ago
DrAlexander
The burden of con was simply to prove ONE debate form that was superior to LD.
So it shouldn't matter if she only rebutted the policy part Sweetbags.
Posted by SweetBags 8 years ago
SweetBags
that is the fault of a bad judge, not pf. every catagory suffers from a few bad judges.
Posted by iadebater 8 years ago
iadebater
My fault, PF is very pure and contentional - but i believe the way in which judges can vote should be changed. I lost a PF round because the judge liked the other girls better, they even had a 5 minute chat in the middle of the round.
Posted by SweetBags 8 years ago
SweetBags
despite pros utter lack of logic in his first post, con only rebutted the policy part, so even though it pains me to do it i must vote pro (only because con did a worst job though).

just one question: HOW IS PF ILLEGITIMATE?? it is by far the most pure (as compared to the kind of debate that happens in everyday life) kind of debate.
Posted by DrAlexander 8 years ago
DrAlexander
Pro wins, okay I joined the facebook thing..I hope for its success!
Posted by Logical-Master 8 years ago
Logical-Master
Lincoln Douglas.

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Posted by sadolite 8 years ago
sadolite
Forgive my ignorance when it comes to debatology so to speak, but what does "L.D." stand for?
Posted by Johnicle 8 years ago
Johnicle
btw, I really don't think that I should judge this b/c I see LD as being superior w/o a debate
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