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LGBTQA+ people should be able to marry and have respect.

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DethKnot

Pro

People that form up the LGBTQA+ representation are like anybody else and should be treated with respect. They are neighbors, friends, and people you may see everyday. Although some may not admit or show it, it is a possibility for anyone anywhere to feel a certain way. The myth that all must have a "nuclear family" is exactly that. A myth. Especially in countries that are considered free, it should not be a problem as it is. There is so much hysteria over who is LGBTQA+ and who isn't and people often try to avoid at all costs to be labeled as part of this and for what? So society approves? Why not change society like many have been trying to for years? Not only this, but even the amount of identifications is laughed at for being quite extensive and is quite idiotic. Nobody would make fun of the alphabet for having so many characters or numbers for being so many. Nobody laughs at the periodic table for the possibility of new elements or mocks scientists who discover another planet. So why when there are different identifications found and discussed do people feel the need to laugh at it? Not only this, but these same people who laugh at it, mock it, and kill people over it are often the same people that claim to love some form of an "all loving G-d" which obviously by their horrid actions, either their vision of god is not true or god just plain sucks and is jerk. Religion MUST be mentioned because it is MAJORLY why so many people are very against LGBTQA+ rights. The whole idea of Adam and Eve along with punishment of homosexuality comes from many religions. Religions obviously cause bias because it is a standard of morality claiming to be right, but there are too many to say which one is. When people are so sure one is right, it shapes all of their viewpoints without them truly considering otherwise and causes bias the entire lifetime unless convinced otherwise. This is a very root cause of anti-LGBTQA+ feelings and must be addressed too.
FollowerofChrist1955

Con

per"ver"sion
pərG2;vərZHən/Submit
noun
1.
the alteration of something from its original course, meaning, or state to a distortion or corruption of what was first intended.
"all great evil is the perversion of a good"
synonyms:distortion, misrepresentation, falsification, travesty, misinterpretation, misconstruction, twisting, corruption, subversion, misuse, misapplication, debasement
"a twisted perversion of the truth"
2.
sexual behavior or desire that is considered abnormal or unacceptable.
synonyms:deviance, abnormality; More

**CAPITALIZATIONS are used for emphasis, not emotion nor yelling, as I am on a device not able to accept Rich text use**

Read-em and weep. Truth IS Truth! Even when painful. This describes accurately the LGBT Agenda. A bunch of emotionally stunted perverse persons who had a weak moment, and went for it. Kinda like the one YOUR having right now? I mean Listen to You. You speak without benefit of reason or thought! Back in the 60"s was the age of if it feels good do it! Those days are gone! That kind of thinking opens the door to anarchy nothing more. Lets look at the facts, and these ARE FACTS, while all you"ve got is warm fuzzies.

Fact: Gender is NOT a state of Mind. End of discussion! You can "THINK" fore don"t BURN ..... it burns!
Fact: You can be a Male who "Thinks" he"s female? But you can never ACTUALLY be one!
Fact: You can be Female who "Thinks" she"s a male? BUT in reality But you can never ACTUALLY be one!
Fact: You can be a male or a Female who "Thinks" their a Penguin? But you can never ACTUALLY be one!
Fact: your born Male you ARE male in perpetuity.! End of discussion!
Fact: If your born Female you ARE Female in perpetuity! End of discussion!
Fact: you cannot become a REAL Penguin by changing surgically your outer FLESH, ever! Why? Medical, anthropological, physiological, pathological mandates! Your DNA cannot be altered, your Skeletal system cannot be altered.

Example. Bones of skeletal man have been dug up for centuries and can easily be identified as male or female THOUGH NO FLESH is present! Why? Anthropology! Male structure is Male structure and vice a versa.
It cannot BE CHANGED because you FEEL something different! AKA your deluded!

Sure you can fake it ... but a pathologist is gonna know ... in his conclusion, it will state subject is a male showing alteration and cutting away at identifiers of the male skeleton. Conclusion- Medical mutilation!

Fact: the first time people engage in inappropriate behavior there is a FEELING of wrongness, we have all took something not ours before, there WAS in point of fact a FEELING at the time of its occurrence. Had people LISTENED THEN, they would not BE IN JAIL NOW! Same Here! Had they LISTENED, they would NOT BE in their current predicament, attempting to CHANGE THE WORLD for feelings!

They were in the closet! Want to know why? You know whay, they felt SHAME and rightly so. Being a pervert isn"t shall we say, the American way! Look at the conundrum caused by these perverse people? Right out of grade school we are taught NOT to let our emotions drive us and WHY. Pandemonium results. Why? Because all things are blown out of proportion immediately upon injection of emotion .... people KILL in these states! As for these people, they KILLED their integrity, slaughtered their common sense, mutilated their humanity, and for want? 15-30 minutes of sexual pleasure of a 24 HOUR timespan! Oh please! Look at your writing? From beginning to end it screams emotionalism in its entirety, not a logical, meritorious argument in the lot!

1st paragraph everyone KNOWS a lie. They are NOT like everyone else or they would BE like everyone else, why SHOULD they be treated with respect? Because they WANT it? Do that which IS respectful and you shall have it! Do it not? Well? There you are!
Next you assault the senses with a conglomeration of the most illogical examples one can pick. The Periodic Table? the Alphabet? Discovery of Other Planets? What are you on steriods? Well every one of those are based on Scientific and realistic experimentation, not delusion? Because of alphabets we can communicate, rather than the uhh, sound! The Periodic Table is an arrangement of Chemical elements , or shapes dpending on your meaning and they serve a most useful purpose in identification and placements, they don"t BLAST away at illogic. The Planets actually exists in space, they are not delusional. they are physical, with all assets consistent with all known and unkown spheres consisting of the same structures as other planets. Exactly what were you attempting to prove by their uses.

The LGBT goes AGAINST all known logic, and cannot be argued from anything but a psychological state! The point being .... it"s ALL IN THE MIND!

The evidence is in ... they are perverse in characteristic and in conduct. Want proof?
They want BOTH sex Organs .... don"t lie! Homosexuals engage in sodomy to mimic vaginal intercourse, but desire the penile portion to FEED their ... shall we say .... feminine side? And the females? Right no different they too want both too, the vagina for satisfaction of the penile external acts while desiring the oral fixation desired by the male of the species! Have you ACTUALLY thought about them from a totally logic based and Realistic viewpoint? You can bet THEY haven"t. What di they all forget biology? No, they through the bay out with the Bathwater! Their all emotion based reasoning, which as any person of success will tell you IS lunacy! You want to be a pervert ... fine, but DON"T base your whole Life on emotional outbursts!

Hey, don"t hate me, I just point out the facts! Yeah you can ATTEMPT to argue but you know, and everyone else knows its a facade, designed to assist your ego, but WITHOUT merits necessary to establish actual Hard Science,basis! Huh!

You see my delusional friend. It is people like you? Who have created this cesspool, we live in. How? There are more of YOU, than the Me"s in this World. People who view the World realistically are a dying breed, now one need only Look at a Television to SEE the results of the emotional demonstrated across our once Great country. And one need only look in the mirror to see whose to blame! Billons of emotionally bankrupt Souls, traversing their way to Hell, and because YOU WON"T stand up and fight this insidious agenda, and have opted to live on YOUR KNEES, This peoples are moving the Country to destruction! It"s all there? In that dusty book you"ve ignored all your life. Just there, lying untouched uncared for in the drawer? Perhaps you should READ Revelation along with the minor prophets to get an overview of the World YOUR HELPING to create or in this case ... destroy.

A simple look at the World as it is today ... tells you it"s a little too late now. The die is cast! Check it out. People complain climate cahnge right? Yet the Government continues to this day to SEED the skies. These are the people you "Think" are listening? Do their actions SHOW anything but appeasement of the masses? There ya go. Signed sealed delivered.

2 Timothy 3
1But understand this: In the last days terrible times will come. 2For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3unloving, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, without love of good,"

In a nutshell, you people are TOAST! just waiting for the butter!
Me? I know God. The fix is in!
Debate Round No. 1
DethKnot

Pro

I think exactly the point is that you point to the bible for your conclusion. But if the bible did not exist, you would have little reason to say most of what you said. Does the bible not say you should love all people and that god is loving of everyone? You sure don't show it. Also, I feel I may have more experience with the bible you claim to go off of than you do. I was in Yeshiva in Jerusalem for eight months studying TORAH aka the OLD testament, aka, the basis of your biblical rules you go off of. The TORAH would not approve of this kind of insulting language you use. It may have parts against homosexuality, but it seems it's because of the risk of homosexual sex. Also, it doesn't seem to say much about being against lesbians. You have also been reported for your word usage since insults are not part of a valid argument. It is very sad to see the bible which is supposed to have GOOD morals turn you and others into people full of hate. Also, unlike you, I have sources that back up my arguments:
https://www.york.cuny.edu...
https://www.reuters.com...
http://whatweknow.law.columbia.edu...
http://libguides.usc.edu...
https://www.theguardian.com...
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...
https://www.livescience.com...
https://www.sciencedirect.com...
FollowerofChrist1955

Con

You wrote "But if the bible did not exist, you would have little reason to say most of what you said. "
Really?
you also wrote "Does the bible not say you should love all people and that god is loving of everyone?
who lied to you about that? God Loves YOU yes. But He hates SIN! And people GO TO HELL for SIN!
LGBT is all SIN.

WE are to AVOID them! That doesn't mean He doesn't love you, but it does MEAN you are not saved and if you died today, would be in Hell as the PRICE for YOUR SIN! Do you understand this?
The Lord says: 2 Peter 3: 9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

I'll quote it again ....

God does NOT accept sin under any circumstances. Those who sin go to Hell, because there is no other place for them as they cannot be allowed in Heaven! He does not SEND them ... they CHOOSE it themselves, by refusing to come to God for repentance and forgiveness.

As to the Lord, He stands ready to Forgive and SAVE any LGBT who turns from their Sin and comes to Him for forgiveness!
But for those who do not turn from sin ... they CHOOSE Hell. That also is not hate .... it's consequence, do you know the difference my friend?

you wrote" Also, it doesn't seem to say much about being against lesbians." Really?
Romans 1: 18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness,
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones.

You state- quote"you point to the bible for your conclusion"

Which of these is wrong? Which of these is from the Bible?

Fact: Gender is NOT a state of Mind. End of discussion! You can "THINK" fire don"t BURN ..... it burns!
Fact: You can be a Male who "Thinks" he"s female? But you can never ACTUALLY be one!
Fact: You can be Female who "Thinks" she"s a male? BUT in reality But you can never ACTUALLY be one!
Fact: You can be a male or a Female who "Thinks" their a Penguin? But you can never ACTUALLY be one!
Fact: your born Male you ARE male in perpetuity.! End of discussion!
Fact: If your born Female you ARE Female in perpetuity! End of discussion!
Fact: you cannot become a REAL Penguin by changing surgically your outer FLESH, ever! Why? Medical, anthropological, physiological, pathological mandates! Your DNA cannot be altered, your Skeletal system cannot be altered.
It's Biology 101 and YOU already know their true!

Example. Bones of skeletal man have been dug up for centuries and can easily be identified as male or female THOUGH NO FLESH is present! Why? Anthropology! Male structure is Male structure and vice a versa.
It cannot BE CHANGED because you FEEL something different! AKA your deluded!" unquote!
Additional statements "NOT" scriptural- quote "Sure you can fake it ... but a pathologist is gonna know ... in his conclusion, it will state subject is a male showing alteration and cutting away at identifiers of the male skeleton. Conclusion- Medical mutilation!" Unquote

Quote "Fact: the first time people engage in inappropriate behavior there is a FEELING of wrongness, we have all took something not ours before, there WAS in point of fact a FEELING at the time of its occurrence. Had people LISTENED THEN, they would not BE IN JAIL NOW! Same Here! Had they LISTENED, they would NOT BE in their current predicament, attempting to CHANGE THE WORLD for feelings!" Unquote


https://hbr.org...

That ain't scripture neither, its SCIENCE to include but not limited too, Psychological, Anthropological, medical, physiological! You do understand these terms yes?

http://www.humankinetics.com...

https://dna-explained.com...

Additional Statements also "NOT" scriptural- Quote
"They were in the closet! Want to know why? You know whay, they felt SHAME and rightly so. Being a pervert isn"t shall we say, the American way! Look at the conundrum caused by these perverse people? Right out of grade school we are taught NOT to let our emotions drive us and WHY. Pandemonium results. Why? Because all things are blown out of proportion immediately upon injection of emotion .... people KILL in these states! As for these people, they KILLED their integrity, slaughtered their common sense, mutilated their humanity, and for want? 15-30 minutes of sexual pleasure of a 24 HOUR timespan! Oh please! Look at your writing? From beginning to end it screams emotionalism in its entirety, not a logical, meritorious argument in the lot! "unquote.

Look we all know that because YOU don't like something does not constitute Hate. Because you don't like that you have no evidence with which to PRESENT a VALID, scientific argument also does not constitute hate!

I even listed the FACTS for you, none are ambiguous, None are refutable, None support in any way, shape or form the validity of LGBT beyond pure emotional and perverse responses to a lifestyle that is unnatural, abnormal and unsupported by science.

even the dictionary points this out? So where's the hate? because you don't HAVE a response? You don't Have Scientific evidence that disputes the medical facts pointed out?

Further that Hard Scientific data proves beyond all doubt that sex change does not in any material way make one a Genuine transfer of Gender as Genetics, DNA, and Skeletal structures retain the exact formulation to which they were Born. Male DNA and Skeleton for Male subjects, flesh not excluded ... male Flesh remains male Flesh but has been merely feminized for COSMETIC PURPOSES ONLY. The organ cannot produce estrogen, cannot produce offspring and is useful for the SOLE purpose of sex ... end of discussion!

On the Female side of the isle the EXACT same contradiction applies, skn remains feminine, skeleton remains feminine, Cannot produce testosterone in ant way shape or form requireing drug usage, can have no Real Functional penis, ofttimes having NONE.

You Call it hate ... I call it facts? If you can dispute them (you can't) but why would you attempt to defend what cannot BE defended by Real Facts. Merely, Emotional support for a poor choice! The difference is even in the new and changing Discriminiation that government enacts are baseless. YOU CANNOT change from Male to Female PERIOD! Sexual orientation is NOT something that cannot BE CHANGED! it IS a CHOICE alone!

Last quote also not Biblical "Yet the Government continues to this day to SEED the skies. These are the people you "Think" are listening? Do their actions SHOW anything but appeasement of the masses? There ya go. " unquote!

So in conclusion:LGBTQA+ people should be able to marry and have respect.
ANSWER: FALSE. no where is it mandated that a person or persons receive respect as sexual deviate. You call it hate? Hey you call a Cow a Cow don't you? Why? .... Cause it's A COW!
If your a sexual or perverse person, how is it hateful to refer to you as What YOU actually are? A pedofile I'm SURE CRAVES self respect too? But he ain't getting it ... Why? cause He's a pervert. Just like LGBT people are! Those are just the facts.
If I have put something "NOT" true in the list of FACTS, point them out, but don't call them HATE, just because their TRUE and YOU don't Like them? That's a Lie!




Debate Round No. 2
DethKnot

Pro

As this debate comes to a close, I would like to point something very important out. TWO out of your only three sources ALSO are pro LGBT

https://hbr.org...
https://journals.humankinetics.com...

The third one we wouldn't necessarily disagree with as yes, women and men are different and some ways but that doesn't prove anything. I don't need to be saved. Satan took care of that and her crowd seems a lot friendlier. So ironic because according to her nine laws, I could marry or date who I want with no issue. Basically, they say nobody should be an a hole and that's about it. I like that. As would many. SO MUCH of your evidence has been from the bile as I figured and again, without it, there would not be much of a reason to be so against LGBTQA+. Your other sources don't even fully back up what you say and you constantly use insults in order to make you seem right when all the comments seem to disagree. Again, do you read the bible? DO you ever sit down and really look at it? Because remember, I was lectured about it EVERY DAY for eight months in one of THE most holy cities in the world. Pretty sure I have a decent understanding of it and why I wouldn't like it. The concept of hell doesn't even exist in Judaism. And even though Rabbis often do not like LGBTQA+ stuff, they are way more understanding of it than you seem to be. Stop trying to act like you must be right. What if I told you your god is BS? Your bible is BS? YOU are BSing? I could take your bible and burn it and feel no remorse. It's a book. A few thousand year old book and pretty childish to believe in it SO heavily. Start in the beginning with a snake that can talk, then to go on that the entire world was flooded, not to mention "IF ye do this, ye be put to death!" mentioned so often. Religions in general should have been a way to keep good morals in people and put ruler ship above a king, but as you demonstrate, it is now corrupt and not needed. Mankind has advanced enough to figure out on it's own what is moral based on secular law and we all know it works way better. Imagine without religious corruption, no 9/11. no huge wars breaking out, no death over things like two guys wanting marriage, less hatred if a person is this or that way, etc. You can tell me all you want Imma burn in hell. Hah, if it even exists. YOU don't actually know. YOU are guessing just like most believers because that is what they are told since birth. If you think for one second telling me I am a sinner for being queer and that I'll burn in hell will change me, WRONG. It won't. In fact, there is a cute guy next door. I think I may ask him out for tomorrow. And only you to thank. We'll reserve our table at a super gay cafe under your username. And then, we will make out and have a nice big beefy sexual session with only you to thank for the idea. :D I actually want to thank you! I am now super turned on by the thought of it! I think this bible you talk about can help indulge in our foreplay too! We can use the pages as wipes after we are done! :D
FollowerofChrist1955

Con

you stated "The third one we wouldn't necessarily disagree with as yes, women and men are different and some ways but that doesn't prove anything."
That's called denial. Are you hearing yourself? NONE of them were pro LGBT. You simply cannot pervert humanity and believe its good! Your the addict/ the Alcoholic who find comfort only in those who like you are living a life of total selfishness. I want, I need, I crave, I seek ... it's all about you. There is a price for the choice you make.
SO MUCH of your evidence has been from the Bible. as I figured and again,
Now whose deluding theirself? NONE of the argument was from the Bibe, anyone can plainly see that, but when you are desparate to have the sin, to Feed the Flesh , the self gratification, the lure becomes your own downfall and prison. You are a slave to LUST, you lost the ability to love long ago. You have perverted it, turned it into a sexual thing. Because that's all you crave, you have become enslaved to lust!
That is your choice, but do not call it, wholesome, it isn't, don't call it good, it's evil, Don't call t right, it's wrong, don't call it love, it's lust, Don't call it caring, it's selfishness at the cost of another human soul? NO ONE want anyone professing such LOVE that they would (purposely mind you) drag them to HELL with them. THAT is the epitome of selfishness, and genuine hate!

Revelation 14:10
they, too, will drink the wine of God's fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb.

In closing, To drag a person too this place with you, and SAYING you LOVE THEM is many things indeed. The WHAT? I leave to you? You couldn't SEE the truth ... I think this question you might be able to figure out ... that is IF you TRULY LOVE someone!
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Arganger 18 hours ago
Arganger
Lacrutos, Odd. I will try to fix that, check on it later.
Posted by Lacrutos 1 day ago
Lacrutos
Of course, I would like to post it into your comment section for a prolonged conversation but it would seem that your comment section is no longer accepting comments.
Posted by Arganger 1 day ago
Arganger
Can you either challenge me to a debate to get this cleared up, or repost that into my profile comments to deal with? I'm not getting notifications over this and my memory has been riddled with holes lately.
Posted by Lacrutos 1 day ago
Lacrutos
Continuation

There are many scriptures concerning the Day of the Lord"

If I wasn"t mistaken the Lords Day seems to be more than what Amos has revealed nor is it just a single event like the Great white Throne Judgement (which is what I think is being referenced by you as the Time of Judgement) but spans much more than that.

We should not forget Psalm 119:160
160"The SUM of Thy word [is] truth, And to the age [is] every judgment of Thy righteousness!

Originally I asked if you could clarify your statement the he sent His Perfect Son" and the verse containing on the Third Day I shall be Perfected.

New Question: after looking back when I stated that you seem to be going for an emotional response not a scriptural one you originally stated
"He loves them, so why on earth do you wish for him to do to them what he never wants to!"

Scriptural Proof?

Once again I defer from CON on Hell but I am definitely am interested in seeing you back these claims since it seems you believe in the Hell he believes in as well.
Posted by Lacrutos 1 day ago
Lacrutos
Arganger:

My contentions aren't with CON they were originally with just some things stated on your comment post. Though taking your claims seriously I have re-read what's on this debate. I generally don"t agree with much of his statements, ,as I stated before, pertaining to "Hell" and "Choice"/"Will". Yes he is intense, Yes he Is aggressive but this is not surprising of Hell Teaching and I have read most of his debates to know that he is quite consistent and not confusing, at least to me. He definitely comes off as sincere and I would take him seriously but at the same always Trying the Spirits of what sort they are.

However I would like to continue with you cause I think I have more questions/clarifications again then answers.

First off I want to clarify pertaining to two things you stated:
"When it comes to his seeking others destruction"" (reason for contention)
"Woe to you who long for the day of the Lord!..." (verse for rebuttal)

Maybe you meant something else but I do not think Longing and Seeking mean the same thing. You then State:

"The time of judgement has not come, and so let us not seek it."

Equating - Time of Judgement with the Day of the Lord and then Seek again with Longing.

Now Pertaining to Judgement:

1 Peter 4:17 (KJV) For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

^ seems to me that the Time of Judgement has begun already. Is this here the same as the Day of the Lord you speak of? Has Judgement not already come as you stated?

Pertaining to the Day of the Lord:

1 Corinthians 5:5 (KJV) to deliver up such a one to the Adversary for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be Saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

Revelation 1:10 (KJV) I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, (hence proceed with the rest of revelation)
Posted by Arganger 2 days ago
Arganger
Lacrutos, I'll attempt to do this quickly as I will forget soon. To explain I will start by saying I do believe that people should be told when something the are doing is wrong in the eyes of God, my issue with FollowerofChrist1955 is he seems to look forward to their destruction and is very rude.

Also the people he is going after are non-Christians that don't have God with them yet to see the difference, and he also seems to view other peoples sins as worse than his own.

Most simply I am frustrated with hid disregard for others and how he forgets the need for love comes above all else.

I will also clarify that I am hated (I'm disabled and for that alone half the planet seems to want me dead), though as according Romans 12:18, I don't see us as supposed to actively seek to be hated.

When it comes to his seeking others destruction we need to go to Amos.

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Woe to you who long for the day of the Lord! Why do you long for the day of the Lord? That day will be darkness, not light.

It will be as though a man fled from a lion only to meet a bear, as though he entered his house and rested his hand on the wall only to have a snake bite him. Will not the day of the Lord be darkness, not light pitch-dark, without a ray of brightness?

"I hate, I despise your religious festivals; your assemblies are a stench to me. Even though you bring me burnt offerings and grain offerings, I will not accept them. Though you bring choice fellowship offerings,
I will have no regard for them.

Away with the noise of your songs! I will not listen to the music of your harps. But let justice roll on like a river, righteousness like a never-failing stream!

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The time of judgement has not come, and so let us not seek it.

I hope that cleared it up?
Posted by Lacrutos 2 days ago
Lacrutos
Continuation

However I figured the discussion from before is most likely in context from non-believer to believer debate, however you make a claim to be a believer stating "I know God well" and referencing a bible verse at the end. However I think the Defendant to that statement has refuted this by stating that its "you" choosing to be sent to Hell. Though I don"t agree with what he states in regards to free will and hell on most of his debates I find that your statement doesn"t adequately handle the problem and seems to aim for an emotional response rather than a scriptural one.

Maybe you could clarify this "How dare you take these people he died for, and insult them because their sin is different than yours. He loves them, so why on earth do you wish for him to do to them what he never wants to!" this seems to be some kind of rebuttal with no scripture on here as your evidence.

1 Corinthians 4:6 (YLT) And these things, brethren, I did transfer to myself and to Apollos because of you, that in us ye may learn not to think above that which hath been written, that ye may not be puffed up one for one against the other.

You Stated:
"And trust me I am far from popular, and I never expect to be popular, I couldn't be if I tried."

I don"t think you are considering the weight of what the Defendant has brought before you here. If you are generally liked by the world you should most definitely start Judging your walk and what you know, scripture agrees with such and promises that you will be persecuted and hated for Christ's sake.

You Stated:
"I know God well, and have had him directly talk with me and I have had visions."

I cant prove or disprove this statement but what I am willing to do and trying to do here is:
1 John 4: 1-5 (KJV) Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
Posted by Lacrutos 2 days ago
Lacrutos
Arganger: I know this is just the comment section (it may seem less important) but I actually have some discrepancies with what you have stated,

These are just some that came to my mind:
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Luke 13:32 (KJV) And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures today and tomorrow, and the third day"I shall be PERFECTED.
- This is in response to the Following:
"He knows we cannot obey his word perfectly, which is why he"sent"(while in the flesh in reference to his life on earth I am assuming) his son,"his PERFECT son, to die so that we do not have to face punishment for sins as long as we are willing to be with him."

Honestly, I just want to know if you disagree with this verse? Or maybe you think it means something else?

Judgment seems generally to be misunderstood,
"The world may hate God, as it will do, but God doesn't hate the world nor is it your job to bring down judgment."

1 Corinthians 6: 1-2 (KJV) Dare any of you, having matter against another, go to law before the unjust and not before the saints? 2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye not worthy to judge the smallest matters?

If you are a Saint and believe that scripture is inspired by God and that it is in fact THAT, then you would "Obey" to such, for this isn't Paul telling you "Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? "are ye not worthy to judge the smallest matters" but is from God. Judging matters are very much apart of the Saints Walk though much opposition is given in regards to Matthew 7:1-5 though if we look closer

1 "Judge not, that ye be not judged." is later given more instruction in verse five by
5""Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and THEN shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye."
Posted by MRAAJ.evil 3 days ago
MRAAJ.evil
He blatantly forgot...
Posted by Arganger 3 days ago
Arganger
FollowerofChrist1955, I know God well, and have had him directly talk with me and I have had visions. You know nothing about the nature of God, or at least you do not act in it. Now, visions are not something that came from anything I have done, except perhaps beg, but I know him.

He knows we cannot obey his word perfectly, which is why he sent his son, his perfect son, to die so that we do not have to face punishment for sins as long as we are willing to be with him. He doesn't in the least expect perfection from us, rather over time he causes us to grow better, He wants us to love him and spend time with us, his goal is to parent is,

How dare you take these people he died for, and insult them because their sin is different than yours. He loves them, so why on earth do you wish for him to do to them what he never wants to!

I am a girl.

The world may hate God, as it will do, but God doesn't hate the world nor is it your job to bring down judgment. And trust me I am far from popular, and I never expect to be popular, I couldn't be if I tried. Knowing something is a sin is far different than berating them for sin as you do. God dined with tax collectors, and spoke with respect to prostitutes, some of the strongest people I have meant were called out of deep sin.

Do you forget Mark 16-17?
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Vote Placed by Ramshutu 4 days ago
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Reasons for voting decision: 1.) Con just ranted, and whilst the capitalization was ignored, sentence structure and usage of "fact: x,y,z" would have sounded angry and dismissive whether it was bolded, italic or all-caps. His name calling was over and above anything pro used eg. emotionally stunted perverse person). Con did not seem to present an argument, as much as simply list his opinions and present them as if they are fact with little actual argument. Indeed, con didn't establish any links between the "facts" he asserted, and the topic being debated. Selling: pro. While pro didn't use many paragraphs, the phrasing, grammar and sentence structure used by con was very poor and contained significant missed words: "everyone knows a lie" instead of "knows is a lie" Sources to pro too: Pro provided multiple sources from an array of reputable sources, I counted only 3 from con despite how many "facts" he cited, and none of them were relevant to the fundamental points he was making.
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Reasons for voting decision: Con just ranted without really making a point that really applies to pro. Con showed zero respect to Pro, and though Pro's conduct wasn't amazing either, Con was far worse saying things such as, " emotionally stunted perverse person", and his excessive use of capitalized words was quite rude as well.