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Farooq
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Statesman
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Labour Union membership should be mandatory.

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Started: 1/2/2008 Category: Miscellaneous
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
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Farooq

Con

My position is that although labour unions are a necessary part of any capitalist society to function and provide a voice for the workers as well as the buisness class, they should not be able to force membership on people and people should be free to choose whether they believe their workplace really needs a union or not. Because Unions are so often based on seniority, many newcomers are fired easier even though they actually may be more productive and dilligent. Progressive minded governments like Alberta and several US States realize that in order for buisness to properly thrive they must not be held back by overzealous unions, especially if the workers realize that strikes are not viable, for at least in my province, it is extremly hard to get rid of union even if they are unpopular. Because of the freedom of association that both the first Amendment (US) and Charter of Rights n'Freedoms (Canada) no employee who wishes to serve a certain company should be pressed to join an auxilary association such as a labour union. My thesis: In order to preserve freedom, fairness, individualism, and prosperity legislation should be in order to allow each and every worker the right to join or refuse to join a labour union. I look forward to meeting an opponent on this field. :)
Statesman

Pro

First off I would like to say that I agree with you. I'm a first timer to Debate.org though and am ready for a debate. Your first statement was that you thought labor unions were necessary to any capitolist society. If union membership was not mandatory however it would almost certainly void the power of the labor union. Imagine a strike in which 3/4 of the workers are still working. If as you say labor unions are necessary to any capitolist society, and making them non-mandatory would destroy their power, then you have just destroyed capitolists society by advocating non-mandatory labor unions.
Debate Round No. 1
Farooq

Con

In that case welcome Statesman! Yes I do believe labour unions are good things for a country to have, lest the buisness class have free reign to oppress workers without them having any chance to defend themselves. The early anti-union laws were unfair and unjust, and hurt workers. But many modern Western societies have long gotten rid of such madness and replaced it with the inverse: mandator, big, lumbering finacial drains that siphon a company's productivity to the point where it no longer is in the workers best interest. So the question arises, how should labour unions be regulated? The answer in any free society should be simple- let the people who's fate depends on it decide! If 3/4 quarters of the workforce strikes obviously than the other quarter believes that their circumstances are unworthy of a strike (or maybe their just sleazy oppurtunists). The buisness in question should than relaize that 3/4 want demands met, and the strike should end up being 3/4 effective. However if the vast majority of workers are unhappy with their earnings than the company shoudl realize something should be done. If it's a minority, than obviously they are overzealous and have cocerns un met by the majoirty. If not everyone supports a union, than it does not speak for them. Freedom of association should differiate between one's employer and that employer's union.
Statesman

Pro

I would argue that we don't need labor unions. Like you, I think that strikes should allow each individual person to decide for themselves if the strike is worthy. However, if each individual person decides for themselves then it's no longer a labor union it's individual people deciding that they're going to strike.

Thank you for the warm welcome.
Debate Round No. 2
Farooq

Con

When orginally developed labour unions were made of associations of workers who believed they should all unite together for negotiations with the buisnessmen, lest they be prodded and divided apart. These associations are perfectly good for periods in which there is general disgruntlemnt. They are necessary and more effective than individual people striking though, becuase they provide an orginzation in which to launch demands. People who pay union dues should reap the benefits of strike pay during times of crisis but people who, especially recent immigrints and young workers, often are less picky about their jobs and often unions too aggressive and their demands ridculous. Although strike negiotations would benefit "scabs" as much as it does union workers association to a union should be a free choice. Some would argue this defeats the purpose of a labour union but it actually gets back to the orginal priniciples of the labour union: to gather as free men, and use whatever support they have from the workforce to negitoaite, thus ensuring that workers' wants are balanced with capitalist society.
Statesman

Pro

I still hold that labor unions are not and were not a NECESSARY part of any capitalist society. I think that they played an important role in our history, but without them I think that as you said, free men would have banded together to strike. A labor union being something that people hold memberships in. In other words something that is still in operation even when a strike is not going on. I don't think that something like that is necessary.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by jacobgunter 9 years ago
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Dude, your advocating that we make a system that is intended to promote fairness and choice mandatory? Thats the most retarded thing Ive ever heard.
Posted by Evan_MacIan 9 years ago
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Statesman, it's too bad you're Pro in this debate.
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