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Lebron James is a better player than Michael Jordan

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Started: 10/22/2015 Category: Sports
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BadGuy72

Pro

I believe that Lebron James is the better player . I will use first round for acceptance and the last two rounds for the debate . Good luck to my opponent .
Tmurdock

Con

I accept the debate and will prove that Michael Jordan is better. With that let the debate begin!
Debate Round No. 1
BadGuy72

Pro

Thank you for accepting this debate I look forward to it .

Let me note before my argument that I have PLENTY more stats and arguments to state but I will include that in my next argument these are just SOME of the reasons why Lebron is better I think lebron James is the best player in NBA history for many reasons , before I even get into the mutitude of stats and such that prove my point let me just say one thing , Jordan is a great player , in fact the second best player of all time , but Jordan could not take over a game in the many different ways Lebron does , Lebron can get everyone in loved and when he is on the court it is always 1 vs 5 until Lebron gets his teammates involved through his great play because we all know Lebron never has amazing teammates like Jordan did ( I will get into that in my next argument ) and the one thing even Lebron haters or Jordan lovers or at least anyone with a working brain will know is that Lebron is the most dominating physical specimen that has ever been in the history of all sports since the beginning of time ! Lebron is a better athlete than Jordan and a better all around player even the professionals who ride the Jordan bandwagon will admit that , that's obvious , no one can ever compare to lebrons physical ability . Now , since that is out of the way , Lebron is the all time SF assist leader and will most likely end up in the top 5 or 10 in assists leaders of all positions , lebron spreads the floor like no other player in the history of the sport , just like Scottie Pippen said , when lebron james is on the court , everyone is a threat to score . When Jordan played he was and still is the best scorer of all time but he didn't have the vision lebron has , it's not because of Jordan's amazing carrying abilities that no one on his team scored in double digits most of the time , it's because Jordan had the ball more than anyone by far and more time then not , he shot . That's why lebron is better in all around offense , lebron has a better FG% than Jordan because if he doesn't have a good shot he can throw a 40mph pass to a big down low that no one would consider open before that but lebron can get the pass in , or he can pass it across court to the open man at the 3 . Jordan , when he couldn't get a good shot off , he would still shoot it and miss most the time . Lebron all around offense , is better , lebron can get offensive boards , pass , and execute plays better than Jordan . On the defensive end , Jordan's DPOY doesn't mean anything when compared to lebron , back then lebron would have won multiple DPOY's , lebron can guard every position , he can guard 1-4 and lock down if he needs to and if he needs to be can guard a center for a play and have a pretty good chance against him . Jordan can only guard the SG and PG and the occasional SF but most were too big and strong for him , Jordan could steal the ball better than lebron but lebron can get boards and block better than Jordan , for example Lebron's signature chase down block . Now when the argument of who's more clutch comes , Lebron's most resent buzzer beater officially ties jordan for career made shots in the last seconds of a playoff game . And Jordan got almost all of his after he was 30 , and lebron is 30 now so lebron of you wanna be realistic , will end up getting more buzzer beaters than Jordan , and lebron in the lat 15 seconds of a game , has a better percentage than Jordan . So statistically and technically lebron is more clutch than Jordan ESPECIALLY in the playoffs . Unlike Lebron , without good teammates Jordan was HORRIBLE in the playoffs , did you know before Pippen joined him MJ was 1-9 in the playoffs in his career , 1-9 !!!! Lebron has NEVER LOST IN THE FIRST ROUND OF THE PLAYOFFS ! He is the first player since the legend celtics to go to 5 finals in a row ! Jordan couldn't even get past the first round without Pippen !! Lebron is the best playoff player in the history of the NBA he just recently passed Jordan in amount of 30-5-5 playoff games with 52 but he has gotten more since then which means he has around 53-55 Jordan has 51 and lebron is no where near done in the playoffs ! 2 playoff games ago lebron put up numbers no other player in the NBA history has ever gotten , he just put up 37-18-13 IN THE PLAYOFFS ! No player has ever put up those numbers IN THE SEASON OR PLAYOFFS EVER ! Lebron is the best player ever when it comes to playoffs in the history of the NBA and you cannot argue that cause crushing I've said is facts . Lebron has countless records already over Jordan but j only have like 15 more minutes to answer this so i can't go into all of them until next round ! Lebron has the better per game stats than Jordan he averages more blocks steals and rebounds than Jordan for their careers after this past season stats get out into Lebron's career averages , lebron has somewhere just over 60 career playoff triple doubles in his 9th playoff appearance , Jordan has 39 after his 13th playoff appearance , lebron is ranked number 1 in NBA history with the highest scoring average per game on elimination playoff games with 31 , he is number 1 in games in the playoffs with at least 25-10-5 with 32 times , lebron took 726 games to reach at least 20,000 points and 5,000 assist , Jordan took 926 , Scottie Pippen told Alonzo mourning that lebron would " kick michael Jordan's *** in basketball , lebron has 159 10+ assist games , Jordan has 88 , lebron is the only player in history to reach 2,000 pts , 500 rebounds , 500 assists , and 100 steals for at least 7 seasons in a row , Jordan has only 2 of those seasons and there not even in a row , those were just his two best seasons , lebron has the most 30 point triple doubles Ever with 19 and Jordan has 17 , lebron is 60% in the last 5 seconds of the 4th quarter or overtime , Jordan is 45% , NOW MAKE SURE YOU READ THIS NEXT PART .... ALL OF THE STATS I JUST POSTED WERE RECORDED IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS PAST SEASON SO AMOST ALL OF THESE STATS HAVE GOTTEN BETTER AND BIGGER SINCE THEN INCLUDING THE PLAYOFF STATS BECAUSE LEBRON HAS BEEN AMAZING THIS PLAYOFFS , all of Jordan's stats are never getting better , his career is over , lebron has at least 5-8 more seasons so he will surpass MJ in almost everything . Scottie Pippen said out of his own mouth , " Jordan is probably the greatest scorer to ever play the game , but Lebron may be the greatest player to ever play the game ... No guy is not a threat when Lebron is on the court. " Skip Bayless of First Take said " Lebron is a better all around player than Jordan . He has more skills than Michael . " Stephen A Smith replied " we know that " Another debate Skip and Stephen also had was that skip thought MJ could guard Lebron and Stephen A Smith replied " you must be crazy , too big , too strong , too much of a locomotive coming at him , now I'm not saying Michael Jordan wouldn't be Michael Jordan , but if that's the case , why did Michael Jordan need Scottie Pippen to defend Magic Johnson when he won the world championship the first time around ? " which proves that MJ couldn't guard Lebron , Stephen A went on to say that Magic Johnson's athleticism doesn't scratch the surface of Lebron's . And the flight man himself has said he was guarding Lebron , he can't stop Lebron from driving to the right and going to the hole on him . Lebron is the best all around player of all time and that is a fact based on his stats , he can literally do everything . Now listen I understand Jordan is 6/6 in the finals it's obvious your gunna bring that up anyone would unless they're horrible at debating but I will address the 6/6 in the finals in my next argument but lebron will win 6 finals if not more in his career , and definitly have all of the finals MVP's unlike Kobe . Now I am going to paste a list of Lebron's career accomplishments

REGULAR SEASON RECORDS
1st place all-time in career assists by a forward.
1st place all-time being named Conference player of the Week with 48 nominations.
1st place all-time being named Conference player of the Month with 29 nominations.
2nd place all-time in points scored in All-Star games with 278.
Behind Kobe Bryant's 280.
Only player in NBA history to average at least 27 points, 7 rebounds and 6 assists for their career.[24]
Only player in NBA history to post at least 2000 points, 500 rebounds, 500 assists, and 100 steals in four consecutive seasons.[25]
Only player in NBA history to post at least 2000 points, 500 rebounds, 500 assists, and 100 steals in a single season for at least seven seasons.[26]
Only player in NBA history to post at least 2000 points, 500 rebounds, and 500 assists in a single season for at least seven seasons.[27]
Only player in NBA history to win the NBA Player of the Month Award four times in two consecutive seasons.[28]
Only player in NBA history to change teams after averaging at least 27 points, twice.[29]
Only player in NBA history to average at least 25 points, 6 rebounds, and 6 assists for 11 consecutive seasons.[30]
One of two players in NBA history to average at least 27 points, 6 rebounds, and 6 assists for six consecutive seasons.[31]
Includes Oscar Robertson, who achieved this eight consecutive times.
One of two players in NBA history to average at least 27 points, 6 rebounds, and 6 assists in a single season for at least eight seasons.[32]
Includes Oscar Robertson.
One of two players in NBA history to average at least 25 points, 7 rebounds, and 7 assists in a season for at least six seasons.[33]
Includes Oscar Robertson.
One of two players in NBA history to win four NBA Most Valuable Player Awards in a span of five years.[34]
Includes Bill Russell.
One of two players in NBA history to win at least two NBA Most Valuable Player Awards for two different franchises.
Includes Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.
One of two players in NBA history to lead NBA Finals in scoring, but play on a different team the following season.[35]
Includes Shaquille O'Neal.
One of two players in NBA history to win NBA MVP, Finals MVP, and an Olympic Gold Medal in the same year.[36]
Includes Michael Jordan (1992).
One of two players in NBA history to win NBA MVP and Finals MVP in two consecutive seasons.
Includes Michael Jordan.
One of three players in NBA history to average 25 points per game for 11 consecutive seasons.
Includes Jerry West and Karl Malone.
One of three players in NBA history to win NBA MVP with a team, leave, and then come back.[37]
Includes Allen Iverson and Moses Malone.
One of three players in NBA history to win NBA MVP and Finals MVP in the same season, twice.[38]
Includes Larry Bird and Michael Jordan.
One of four players in NBA history to score at least 2000 points in a single season for at least nine seasons.[39]
Includes Karl Malone (12 seasons), Michael Jordan (11), and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (9).
One of five players in NBA history to score at least 10 points in 500 consecutive games.[40]
Includes Michael Jordan, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Moses Malone and Karl Malone.
Currently 3rd all-time on the list with 641 games.
One of five players in NBA history to win consecutive Finals MVP Awards.[41]
Includes Michael Jordan, Shaquille O'Neal, Hakeem Olajuwon, and Kobe Bryant.
One of five players in NBA history to win four NBA Most Valuable Player Awards.[42]
Includes Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Michael Jordan, Bill Russell, and Wilt Chamberlain.
One of five players in NBA history to change teams after leading the league in triple-doubles.[43]
Includes Wilt Chamberlain, Mickey Johnson, Jason Kidd, and Lance Stephenson.
One of five players in NBA history to score 50+ points multiple times for two different teams.[44]
Includes Wilt Chamberlain, Pete Maravich, Bernard King, and Carmelo Anthony.
One of six players in NBA history to average at least 27 points for their career.[45]
Includes Michael Jordan, Wilt Chamberlain, Elgin Baylor, Jerry West and Kevin Durant.
One of eight players in NBA history to lead a franchise in points, assists, and steals.[46]
Includes Kevin Garnett, Michael Jordan, Reggie Miller, Gary Payton, Randy Smith, Isiah Thomas, and Dwyane Wade.
SeasonEdit
Only player in NBA History to win the NBA Player of the Month Award five times in a single season.[28]
Only player in NBA history to post 30 or more points and shoot over 60 percent for six consecutive games in a single season.[47]
One of two players in NBA history to receive all but one vote for the NBA Most Valuable Player Award in a single season.[48]
Includes Shaquille O'Neal.
One of two players in NBA history to average at least 30 points and 10 assists in a calendar month while playing at least 10 games.[49]
Includes Russell Westbrook (achieved this twice, in one season)
One of three players in NBA history to average at least 30 points, 7 rebounds and 7 assists in a single season.[50]
Includes Oscar Robertson (achieved this five times) and Michael Jordan.
One of four players in NBA history to average at least 20 points, 5 rebounds, and 5 assists in their rookie season.[51]
Includes Oscar Robertson, Michael Jordan, and Tyreke Evans.
One of four players in NBA history to average at least 31 points, 7 rebounds and 6 assists in a single season.[52]
Includes Oscar Robertson (achieved this twice), Jerry West, and Michael Jordan.
One of four players in NBA history to lead their team in all five major statistical categories (total points, rebounds, assists, blocks and steals) in a single season (2008"09 season).[53]
Includes Dave Cowens (1977"78), Scottie Pippen (1994"95) and Kevin Garnett (2002"03).
One of six players in NBA history to record 2,000 points and 600 assists in a single season.[54]
Includes Oscar Robertson (achieved this seven times), John Havlicek (achieved this twice), Tiny Archibald (achieved this twice), Derrick Rose, and Michael Jordan.
GameEdit
Only player in NBA history to record at least 43 points, 13 rebounds, and 15 assists in a game.
Only player in NBA history to record at least 31 points, 19 rebounds, 8 assists, and 4 steals in a game.
One of three players in NBA history to record at least 33 points, 12 assists, and 9 rebounds in a game.
Includes Michael Jordan and Nate Robinson.
One of four players in NBA history to record at least 61 points, 7 rebounds, and 4 assists in a game.
Includes Michael Jordan, David Robinson, and Tracy McGrady.
PlayoffsEdit
CareerEdit
1st place all-time being a leader in points, rebounds and assists on 37 occasions.
24 more games than next player on the list Larry Bird with (13).
1st place all-time for scoring average in game 7s with 34.4 points per game.
1st place all-time for scoring average in elimination games with 31.7 points per game.[55]
1st place all-time for playoff games with at least 25 points, 5 rebounds, and 5 assists with 88.[56][57]
1st place all-time for playoff games with at least 25 points, 10 rebounds, and 5 assists with 39.[56][58]
1st place all-time for playoff games with at least 30 points, 5 rebounds, and 5 assists with 58.
1st place all-time for playoff games with at least 30 points, 10 rebounds, and 5 assists with 28.[59][60]
T-1st place all-time for playoff games with at least 30 points, 10 rebounds, and 10 assists with 8.
Tied with Oscar Robertson.
2nd place all-time for consecutive 20-point games to start a playoff career with 19.[61]
Behind Kareem Abdul-Jabbar's 27 consecutive games.
2nd place all-time for triple-doubles in the playoffs with 14.
Behind Magic Johnson's 30 triple-doubles.
3rd place all-time for consecutive 20-point playoff games with 54.[62]
Behind Wilt Chamberlain's 126 and 92 consecutive games.
T-3rd place all-time for playoff games scoring at least 45 points with 7.[63]
Tied with Allen Iverson.
Behind Michael Jordan (23) and Wilt Chamberlain (8)
3rd place all-time for scoring average in first 150 playoff games with 28.1.[64]
Behind Michael Jordan and Jerry West.
3rd place all-time for playoff games scoring at least 30 points with 80.
Behind Michael Jordan (109) and Kobe Bryant (88).
3rd place all-time for free throws made in the playoffs with 1,273.
Behind Michael Jordan (1,463) and Kobe Bryant (1,320).
Only player in NBA history to shoot at least 50 percent in 9 consecutive playoff games while attempting at least 15 FGs.[65]
Only player in NBA history to average 28 points, 8 rebounds, and 6 assists in their playoff career.[66]
Only player in NBA history to record 5,000 points, 1,500 rebounds, and 1,000 assists in their playoff career.
Only player in NBA history to play 20 playoff games in 5 consecutive seasons.
One of three players in NBA history to average 30 points and 10 rebounds when facing elimination.[67]
Includes Wilt Chamberlain and Anthony Davis.
One of nine players in NBA history to play in the NBA Finals in five consecutive seasons.
Includes Bill Russell, Sam Jones, K.C. Jones, Tom Sanders, Bob Cousy, Bill Sharman, Tom Heinsohn, and Frank Ramsey.
Single PostseasonEdit
Only player in NBA history to score at least 25 points in 16 consecutive playoff games in a single postseason.[68][69]
Only player in NBA history to score at least 25 points in 14 consecutive playoff games in a single postseason, multiple times.[68][69]
One of two players in NBA history to average 30 points, 11 rebounds and 8 assists per game in a single post season.
Includes Oscar Robertson.
One of two players in NBA history to record 600 points, 200 rebounds, and 100 assists in a single postseason twice.
Includes Larry Bird.
SeriesEdit
Only player in NBA history to average at least 30 points, 10 rebounds, and 9 assists in a playoff series (2015 Conference Finals vs. Atlanta Hawks).[70]
One of five players in NBA History to average at least 33.8 points and 7.3 assists in a playoff series.
Includes Michael Jordan (achieved this three times), Jerry West (achieved twice), Tracy McGrady, and Stephen Curry.
GameEdit
Most consecutive points scored for a team in a playoff game with 25 consecutive points at the Detroit Pistons on May 31, 2007.[71]
Only player in NBA history to score at least 49 points in a playoff game for two different franchises.[72]
Only player in NBA history to record at least 37 points, 18 rebounds, and 13 assists in a playoff game.
One of two players in NBA history to record at least 45 points, 15 rebounds, and 5 assists in a playoff game.[73]
Includes Wilt Chamberlain.
One of three players in NBA history to record a triple-double in their playoff debut.[74]
Includes Johnny McCarthy and Magic Johnson.
NBA FinalsEdit
CareerEdit
1st place all-time for triple-doubles with at least 30 points in the NBA Finals with 3.
1st place all-time for three-point field goals attempted in the NBA Finals with 167.
2nd place all-time for triple-doubles in the NBA Finals with 6.
Behind Magic Johnson's 8 triple-doubles.
T-2nd place all-time for three-point field goals made in the NBA Finals with 55.
Tied with Ray Allen.
Behind Robert Horry's 56.
Only player in NBA history to play in five consecutive NBA Finals, doing so with different teams.
One of three players in NBA history to play in the All-Star Game and NBA Finals in five consecutive seasons.
Includes Bill Russell and Bob Cousy.
SeriesEdit
Most points scored in first three games with (123) in 2015 NBA Finals.
1st place all-time for most points scored and assisted per game in an NBA Finals series with 57.7[75]
2nd place all-time for highest percentage of team points in an NBA Finals series.[76]
Behind Michael Jordan's 38.4%; James accounted for 38.3% of his team's points in the 2015 NBA Finals.
Only player in NBA history to average at least 25 points, 10 rebounds, and 7 assists in an NBA Finals series (accomplished this three times).[77]
Only player in NBA history to lead both teams in points, rebounds, and assists in an NBA Finals series.
Only player in NBA history to average 35 points, 10 rebounds, and 5 assists in an NBA Finals series.
James averaged 35.8 points, 13.3 rebounds, 8.8 assists in the 2015 NBA Finals.
One of three players in NBA history to score 40 points in at least three games in a single NBA Finals series.
Includes Michael Jordan and Shaquille O'Neal.
GameEdit
T-1st place all-time for points scored in an NBA Finals Game 1 loss with 44.
Tied with Shaquille O'Neal.
Only player in NBA history to score at least 40 points and record at least half of his team's assists in an NBA Finalsgame, achieved this twice in a single NBA Finals series.[78]
Only player in NBA history to record at least 40 points, 12 rebounds, 8 assists, and 4 steals in an NBA Finals game.[79]
Only player in NBA history to record at least 40 points, 14 rebounds, and 11 assists in an NBA Finals game.
Only player in NBA history to record at least 32 points, 18 rebounds, and 9 assists in an NBA Finals game.
One of two players in NBA history to produce outright game highs of points, rebounds, and assists in an NBA Finalsgame.[80]
Includes Shaquille O'Neal.
One of two players in NBA history to record at least 35 points, 15 rebounds, and 10 assists in an NBA Finals game.[81]
Includes James Worthy.
One of two players in NBA history to record a triple-double with at least 40 points in an NBA Finals game.[82]
Includes Jerry West.
One of three players in NBA history to record a triple-double in an elimination game in an NBA Finals game.[83]
Includes Bill Russell and James Worthy.
One of four players in NBA history to score at least 30 points in Games 6 and 7 of the NBA Finals in the same season.[84]
Includes Jerry West (achieved this twice), Bob Pettit, and Elgin Baylor.
One of five players in NBA history to score at least 40 points in a regular-season game and then do it again against the same opponent in Game 1 of the NBA Finals.[85]
Includes George Mikan, Jerry West, Allen Iverson, and Kobe Bryant.
One of six players in NBA history to record a triple-double in an NBA Finals clinching game.[86]
Includes Magic Johnson (twice, 1982 and 1985), Larry Bird (1986), James Worthy (1988), Tim Duncan (2003), and Draymond Green (2015).
One of six players in NBA history to record a triple-double in Game 1 of the NBA Finals.[87]
Includes Wilt Chamberlain (1967), Walt Frazier (1972), Dave Cowens (1976), Magic Johnson (1991), and Jason Kidd(2002).
Youngest player recordsEdit
James owns numerous NBA "youngest player" records. He is the youngest1

To be selected #1 overall draft pick (18 years of age).[citation needed]
To be named NBA Rookie of the Year (19 years of age).[citation needed]
To score most points by prep-to-pro player in their professional debut with (25)
To record a triple-double (20 years, 20 days).[88]
Recorded 27 points, 11 rebounds, and 10 assists on January 19, 2005 vs. Portland Trail Blazers.
To record a triple-double in the playoffs. (21 years, 113 days).[citation needed]
Recorded 32 points, 11 rebounds, and 11 assists on April 22, 2006 vs. Washington Wizards.
To score 30 points in a game (18 years, 334 days).[citation needed]
Recorded 33 points on November 29, 2003 vs. Memphis Grizzlies
To score 40 points in a game (19 years, 88 days).[citation needed]
Recorded 41 points on March 27, 2004 vs. New Jersey Nets.
To score 2,000 points in a season (2004"05).[citation needed]
To average at least 30 points per game in the NBA.
To be awarded All-NBA honors (2004"05).[citation needed]
To be named to the All-NBA first team (21 years, 138 days).[citation needed]
To win an All-Star Game MVP (21 years, 55 days).[citation needed]
To lead the league in All-Star voting (22 years, 26 days).[citation needed]
To score 2,000 points in seven consecutive seasons (26 years of age).[citation needed]
To win Most Valuable Player award four times (28 years of age).[citation needed]
To reach 4,000 playoff points (29 years of age).[89]
To reach 5,000 playoff points (30 years of age).
Every point milestone from 1,000 up to 24,000[90][91][92][93][94][95]
Tmurdock

Con

Michael Jordan is better.
1. Stats link. Michael Jordan is a better overall player.
http://www.landofbasketball.com...
2. How to properly argue this.
http://www.sportingnews.com...
3. I provided actual legit sources. Where is my opponent's info coming from?
Debate Round No. 2
BadGuy72

Pro

BadGuy72 forfeited this round.
Tmurdock

Con

vote for me. I provide actual evidence.
Debate Round No. 3
1 comment has been posted on this debate.
Posted by GOAT_23_6 11 months ago
GOAT_23_6
I'm a LeBron fan and this guy went way to fan boy. LeBron isn't better than Jordan.. yet.
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