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Lebron James is better than Kobe Bryant

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Started: 5/21/2013 Category: Sports
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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TheVoiceOfReason67

Pro

I will be posting my sources on last round,

LeBron Took The Cleveland Cavaliers To The NBA Finals in Just His 3rd Season (21 Years Old). Kobe Made His 1st NBA Finals Appearance in 2000 His 4th Season (22 Years Old)
Cavs Starting 5 in 2007 Mo Williams , Delonte West , LeBron James , Drew Gooden , Zydranus Illgauskas
Lakers Starting 5 in 2000 Derek Fisher , Kobe Bryant , Rick Fox , Robert Horry , Shaquile O'Neal
Lakers Had The Big 3 - Kobe , Horry , O'Neal .
Cavs- LeBron James in His 3rd Season , Not Fully Developed At His Best Playing With No All Stars .
Kobe Was Not At His Full Potential But Shaq Was At His Prime Which Is Why He Was NamedFinals MVP in All 3 Years.
People Criticize LeBron James For Needing To Join a Team Full Of All-Stars ?
Jordan - Pippen - Grant (All-Stars)
Billups - Wallace - Hamilton (All-Stars)
Parker - Ginobli - Duncan (All-Stars)
Pierce - Allen - Garnett (All-Stars)
Kobe - Bynum - Gasol (All-Stars)
So Why Do People Criticize LeBron? Because They Can't Accept The Fact That He Left Cleveland After Giving it His All For 7 Years There . He Led Them To An NBA Finals Appearance , Twice The Best Record in The NBA (Back To Back) . Best Home Record . 2 Eastern Conference Finals Appearances. By Himself (Star-Player Wise)
Kobe By Himself (Star-Player Wise) 2005-2006 Lakers Starting 5
Smush Parker , Kobe Bryant , Luke Walton , Lamar Odom , Kwame Browm
Record (45-37) 8th Seed Lost in 1st Round To The Phoenix Suns
Lakers 2006-2007 Starting 5
Jordan Farmar , Kobe Bryant , Vladimir Radmonivic , Kwame Brown , Andrew Bynum
Record (42-40) 7th Seed Lost In 1st Round ToThe Phoenix Suns . That Same Year While KobeWas Getting Eliminated , LeBron Was Leading His Team into The NBA Finals. Also Kobe Was 28 Years Old At This Time (Same Age LeBron Got His 1st Ring)
Kobe At Age 28 - Losses in 1st Round (Back To Back Years)
LeBron At Age 28 - Season MVP (3rd) , NBA Champion , Finals MVP Olympic Gold Medal . Not To Mention The Only Two Players in History To Accomplish All That in 1 Year Was Jordan And LeBron.
LeBron Got His 1st Finals MVP At Age 28
Kobe Got His 1st Finals MVP At Age 31
LeBron Chokes ?
FG% Since 2000 In Game Winning Shot Attempts
Kobe Bryant - (31-103) - 30% LeBron James- (21-68)- 31%
* Kobe Has More Attempts Because He's Been in The Leauge Longer.
Kobe Has Been in The Leauge For 17 Years.
LeBron Has Been in The Leauge For 10 Years.
Season MVP's Kobe - 1 (2008) LeBron - 4 (2009,2010,2012 ,2013)
Career Triple Doubles Kobe- 19 LeBron- 36
Career PPG Kobe- 25.5 PPG LeBron- 27.6 PPG
Career APG Kobe- 4.8 APG LeBron- 6.9 APG
Career RPG Kobe- 5.3 RPG LeBron- 7.3 RPG
NBA Draft Selections Kobe - 14th Overall (Charlotte Hornets) LeBrona 1st Overall ( Cleveland Cavaliers )
Kobe is 34 Years Old Right Now He Has 5 Rings ( 2 Finals MVP)
LeBron is 28 Years Old Right Now He Has 1 Ring ( 1 Finals MVP)
They Are 6 Years Apart . Jordan Got His 1st Ring At The Same Age As LeBron . He Has More Than Kobe.
LeBron is The 1st Player Ever in Team USA History To Record A Triple-Double .
Not To Mention That LeBron James Has BeatenKobe Bryant Twice On Christmas Day In Kobe's Home Court Staples Center In Blowouts.
"2009- Cavaliers 102 - Lakers 87 (LeBron 26 Pts , 9 Ast , 4 Reb) "2010- Heat 96 - Lakers 80 (LeBron 27 Pts , 11 Reb , 10 Ast)
Lebron James shot a career high 40% from the three point line this season. Kobe has never shot 40% from deep in a single season in his NBA career.
AGE TO AGE COMPARISON AT AGE 28
Kobe 3 rings, 0 Finals MVP, 0 MVP
Lebron 1 ring, 1 Finals MVP, 3 MVP
REGULAR SEASON
Points: Kobe 19,296 - Lebron 20,804
Steals: Kobe 1,170 - Lebron 1,306
Blocks: Kobe 467 - Lebron 638
Assists: Kobe 3,561 - Lebron 5,227
Rebounds: Kobe 4,073 - Lebron 5,481
3Pt Made: Kobe 936 - Lebron 1,005
FG%: Kobe 45% - Lebron 49%
Games Played: Kobe 784 - Lebron 755
PLAYOFFS
Points: Kobe 3,053 - Lebron 3,275
Steals: Kobe 174 - Lebron 195
Blocks: Kobe 94 - Lebron 109
Assists: Kobe 586 - Lebron 772
Rebounds: Kobe 647 - Lebron 998
3Pt Made: Kobe 145 - Lebron 159
FG%: Kobe 44% - Lebron 47%
Games Played: Kobe 131 - Lebron 115
At this point LeBron is no doubt better than Kobe . And He Aint Even Done. He's Barely Getting Started. Kobe's Career Is Whining Down Already. Even if LeBron Doesn't Get More Rings Than Kobe He Is Still The Better Player. You Do Not Determine A Players Greatness On Rings Or Else Bill Russell Would Be The Best. He has 11 Rings. Robert Horry Has 7. Does That Mean He's Better Than Kobe ? You mean to tell me,Dominique Jones is better than Charles Barkley, Reggie Miller, and Allen Iverson? Bottom Line is Lebron > Kobe
sakskidz

Con

Kobe Bryant is better the Lebron James... people always try to argue lebron is better but when it comes down to it Kobe always surpasses Lebron. Im not going to argue rings... because Kobe has been in the league since 1996 and Lebron since 2003 so Kobe has had more time. But to say that he has always had help and couldnt do it by himself is crazy... show me another player that has been the only star on his team and took them to the finals and actually won! MJ had Scottie Pippen and Clyde Drexler.. both of which many people still talk about today! If you want to say Kobe couldnt do it by hmself then you have to say Lebron couldnt either... he had to leave his team AND his hometown to be bale to win.. So sure Kobe had help with Shaq.. but even after Shaq was traded and they werent as good Kobe was loyal to his team and didnt leave. so Kobe has loyalty over lebron... there was a poll taken among the NBA players in 2010 and Kobe was 1st in the highest basketball IQ in the NBA. He is one of the smartest basketball players to ever play the game! (if not the smartest) he has one of the best mid-range jumpshots ever... he can shoot 3's.. (he holds the record for most 3s in a game in case you want to argue that) he was able to dunk as well as Lebron when he was younger (won the slamdunk competition in 1997 when he was only 17) so lets hear some debates!
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Debate Round No. 1
TheVoiceOfReason67

Pro

Apparently your just allowed to just ignore almost all of my arguments...

"If you want to say Kobe couldnt do it by hmself then you have to say Lebron couldnt either..."
A. I never said Kobe couldn't do it by himself, he just hasn't done it yet and his career is almost over
B. The whole point of my argument was that Lebron nearly single did it by himself

"he had to leave his team AND his hometown to be bale to win.. So sure Kobe had help with Shaq.. but even after Shaq was traded and they werent as good Kobe was loyal to his team and didnt leave. so Kobe has loyalty over lebron"
A. how exactly does loyalty equal good player?
B. "but even after Shaq was traded and they werent as good" thank you for agreeing with me

there was a poll taken among the NBA players in 2010 and Kobe was 1st in the highest basketball IQ in the NBA. He is one of the smartest basketball players to ever play the game! (if not the smartest)
A. yes, in 2010, when Lebron was only in his 7th year in the league, while Kobe had double that

"he can shoot 3's.. (he holds the record for most 3s in a game in case you want to argue that) he was able to dunk as well as Lebron when he was younger (won the slamdunk competition in 1997 when he was only 17)"
A. If you look at the stats from my first argument, you'll notice Lebron is better at rebounding (RPG)
B. THE DUNK CONTEST DOESN'T MATTER
sakskidz

Con

Kobe is a dominant player.. he has the mind set of a champion. He was also voted on by the GM's of the teams as the toughest player in the NBA last year. He plays through injuries that most people sit out of games because of. Lebron doesnt do that. if he rolls an ankle he sits out for 3 games. Kobe is just a better player. pure and simple
Debate Round No. 2
TheVoiceOfReason67

Pro

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD LOOK AT THE STATISTICS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

everything you are saying is either an opinion with nothing to back it up or something that doesn't even matter. And again LOOK AT THE STATS I GAVE YOU IN ROUND ONE
sakskidz

Con

fine who don't want any opinion here are some facts Kobe is
5" NBA champion (2000"2002, 2009"2010)
2" NBA Finals MVP (2009"2010)
NBA Most Valuable Player (2008)
15" NBA All-Star (1998, 2000"2013)
4" NBA All-Star Game MVP (2002, 2007, 2009, 2011)
2" NBA scoring champion (2006"2007)
11" All-NBA First Team (2002"2004, 2006"2013)
2" All-NBA Second Team (2000"2001)
2" All-NBA Third Team (1999, 2005)
9" NBA All-Defensive First Team (2000, 2003"2004, 2006"2011)
3" NBA All-Defensive Second Team (2001"2002, 2012)
NBA All-Rookie Second Team (1997)
Los Angeles Lakers all-time leading scorer
he led the league in scoring in 05-06 and 06-07
he also led the playoffs in scoring 3 times
and I'm sorry who scored 81 points in a game
and who's 4th all time in points and in all time free throw made
and made the 2nd most career free throws in the playoffs
and is 3rd in all time points in the playoffs
he also holds numerous records
Most All-Star Game MVP awards won, career: 4 (tied with Bob Pettit)
Most All-Star Game points scored, career: 271
Most All-Star Game field goals made, career: 111
Most offensive rebounds in an All-Star Game: 10
Most All-NBA Total Selections won, career: 15 (tied with Kareem Abdul-Jabbar)
Most All-NBA First Team honors won, career: 11 (tied with Karl Malone)
Most All-Defensive First Team honors won, career: 9 (tied with Michael Jordan, Gary Payton, and Kevin Garnett)
Most three-point field goals made, one game: 12 (on January 7, 2003 vs. Seattle SuperSonics; shared with Donyell Marshall)
Most three-point field goal attempts, career-playoffs: 882
Most field goal attempts, career-playoffs: 4,499
Most three-point field goal attempts, career-finals: 153
Most free throws made, four-game playoff series: 51 (second round vs. Sacramento Kings, 2001)
Most points scored in one arena, career: 13,812 (as of March 9, 2012, at Staples Center, Los Angeles)
Surpassed Hakeem Olajuwon, the previous holder of the record
Youngest player to score 22,000 points: (30 years, 99 days)
Surpassed Wilt Chamberlain, the previous holder of the record
Youngest player to score 23,000 points: (30 years, 171 days)
Surpassed Wilt Chamberlain, the previous holder of the record
Youngest player to score 24,000 points: (31 years, 76 days)
Surpassed Wilt Chamberlain, the previous holder of the record
Youngest player to score 25,000 points: (31 years, 151 days)
Surpassed Wilt Chamberlain, the previous holder of the record
Youngest player to score 26,000 points: (32 years, 80 days)
Surpassed Wilt Chamberlain, the previous holder of the record
Youngest player to score 27,000 points: (32 years, 160 days)
Surpassed Wilt Chamberlain, the previous holder of the record
Youngest player to score 28,000 points: (33 years, 131 days)
Surpassed Wilt Chamberlain, the previous holder of the record
Youngest player to score 29,000 points: (33 years, 199 days)
Surpassed Wilt Chamberlain, the previous holder of the record
Youngest player to score 30,000 points: (34 years, 104 days)
Surpassed Wilt Chamberlain, the previous holder of the record
Youngest player to score 31,000 points: (34 years, 185 days)
Surpassed Wilt Chamberlain, the previous holder of the record
Youngest player to be named to the NBA All-Rookie Team: (1996"97)
Youngest player to be named to the NBA All-Defensive Team: (1999"00)
Youngest player to start a game: (18 years, 158 days)
Youngest player to start an All-Star game
Youngest player to win the NBA Slam Dunk Championship: (18 years, 169 days)
Only player in NBA history to score at least 600 points in the postseason for three consecutive years.
633 (2008), 695 (2009), 671 (2010)
and i would go by all his lakers records but that would use up all the characters that are left
Debate Round No. 3
TheVoiceOfReason67

Pro

YOU STILL DIDN'T RESPOND TO MY STATISTICS!
5" NBA champion (2000"2002, 2009"2010)
a. he has been in the league longer, and as I said before, that means Bill Russel is the best player of all time.

Most All-Star Game MVP awards won
A. This does not matter

11" All-NBA First Team (2002"2004, 2006"2013)
2" All-NBA Second Team (2000"2001)
2" All-NBA Third Team (1999, 2005)
A. again been in the league longer

AGE TO AGE COMPARISON AT AGE 28
Kobe 3 rings, 0 Finals MVP, 0 MVP
Lebron 1 ring, 1 Finals MVP, 3 MVP
REGULAR SEASON
Points: Kobe 19,296 - Lebron 20,804
Steals: Kobe 1,170 - Lebron 1,306
Blocks: Kobe 467 - Lebron 638
Assists: Kobe 3,561 - Lebron 5,227
Rebounds: Kobe 4,073 - Lebron 5,481
3Pt Made: Kobe 936 - Lebron 1,005
FG%: Kobe 45% - Lebron 49%
Games Played: Kobe 784 - Lebron 755
PLAYOFFS
Points: Kobe 3,053 - Lebron 3,275
Steals: Kobe 174 - Lebron 195
Blocks: Kobe 94 - Lebron 109
Assists: Kobe 586 - Lebron 772
Rebounds: Kobe 647 - Lebron 998
3Pt Made: Kobe 145 - Lebron 159
FG%: Kobe 44% - Lebron 47%
Games Played: Kobe 131 - Lebron 115

(my previous argument)
sakskidz

Con

im just saying fine right at this second lebron better but in 5 years from now lebron will have worse stats than kobe did at 33
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by TheVoiceOfReason67 3 years ago
TheVoiceOfReason67
If I lose this debate, heads will role
Posted by BiggTime 3 years ago
BiggTime
Sakskidz do you realise the statistics your opponent has given you. Yet all you replied with was that nobody can win individually. Which is exactly what your opponent said. Also Michael Jordan and Clyde Drexler never played on the same team. And you said that Kobe is more loyal to this team than lebron. That is true no problem, but loyalty doesnt make Kobe better than Lebron james. Also kobe may have the record for most threes in a game (which is tied by donyell marshall, who?, thats what i thought) doesnt mean hes an effective shooter. Anybody can throw up 20 threes in a game and pray to hit a high number.
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