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Legalization of Drugs

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Started: 2/9/2014 Category: Politics
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SebUK

Pro

Round 1 is for acceptance only , Round 2 is for explaining your main arguments (no rebuttal ) , Rounds 3 and 4 are for rebuttal or or and for extention of the main arguments . I will be arguing in favour of Legalizing Drugs.
vekoma123

Con

Even though I support the legalization of marijuana, I will accept your debate.

Just so I'm aware, is it based on the use of recreation drugs alone? Or does it cover tobacco and alcohol as well?
Debate Round No. 1
SebUK

Pro

(The Debate is about legalizing drugs that are illegal at the moment like Heroin ) The war on drugs have been going on for decades now it has cost as billions and thousands of innocent people were put into jail for a victim less crime but humanity has been using drugs for thousands of years of human history it is a part of human culture that we are not gone rid of by criminalizing it from Alexander the Great's soldiers rubbing opium on their feet to march longer to modern age cannabis use criminalizing people for drug use will not stop people doing it in fact it makes more people do it because it gives you a thrill . Now i will explain why legalizing drugs is a good idea 1. Violance&Black Market Why do we associate drug use with violance? It is because people who want to use drugs have to go to a black market to buy them this market is unregulated and uncontrolled different factions involved in drug trade are fighting against each other by legalizing drugs we would give people the chance to buy drugs from a more reliable source the government or a regulated private sectors this market is regulated most people would rather buy from it than from a drug dealer in a dark alley that has no knowledge about business managment , The black market would collapse 2.Freedom In a truely free society people shouldn't restrict the freedom of others this is very relevant to the issue of banning drugs as drug usage is a victimless crime i consider banning it to be immoral. 2.Safety Why do so many people overdose on drugs? for example heroin apart from its addictivness is almost harmless for your body the reason why people overdose on such drugs is because like i explained before they are forced to buy them from an unregulated market where drug dealers can put stuff into the drug to increase the value therefore customers are not sure how pure it is and might inject too much causing an overdose. 3.Price Drug addicts often how to commit crime to get money for their drug but if drugs were legalized the prices would go down and it wouldn't be such a hard job to get your next fix as it was before your life can be at least a tiny bit better 4. Prison Overgrowth This point is really relevant if you are living in USA , 5% of the worlds population lives in USA yet 25% of all prisoners in the world are in USA around 80% of all drug aressts were for simply having drugs on you this is putting innocent people in prison and over crowding prisons that have to be paid for. 5. Money Taxing those who produce drugs will give the government a lot of money not much to add to this argument 6.Statistics n 1970 there were 9000 convictions or cautions for drug offences and 15% of young people had used an illegal drug. In 1995 the figures were 94 000 and 45%. Prohibition doesn't work. Sources http://www.drugwarfacts.org...... http://www.poppies.ws...... 'Alexander the Great introduced poppies to the Near East, starting the flowers long history in Asia. Opium was largely used as a social drug in India and China. Ancient Asian texts described the medical properties of opium.' http://www.spiegel.de...... ' If it legalized drugs, the United States could save $85 billion to $90 billion per year. Roughly half that is spent on the current drugs policy and half that is lost in taxes that the state could have levied on legal drugs. '
vekoma123

Con

Thank you for taking me up on the offer of argument and I appreciate the clarification. Also, to make it easier, I would appreciate it if you formatted your arguments to have more spacing between them since it looks like one long paragraph (and no, this is not an argument I'm making).

'The war on drugs have been going on for decades now it has cost as billions and thousands of innocent people were put into jail for a victim less crime but humanity has been using drugs for thousands of years of human history it is a part of human culture that we are not gone rid of by criminalizing it'

It is definitely not arguable that the drug war has been expensive, and that there has been drugs around for quite some time. However, I must stress the term 'drug war'. With the violence that goes on between gangs and officers who are in this war, it is all for the cause of safety of others, including the users themselves. Of course people do it for the thrill because they know it is illegal and that they are breaking the law, which is never okay because we have 'the law' for a reason.

'It is because people who want to use drugs have to go to a black market to buy them this market is unregulated and uncontrolled different factions involved in drug trade are fighting against each other by legalizing drugs we would give people the chance to buy drugs from a more reliable source the government or a regulated private sectors this market is regulated most people would rather buy from it than from a drug dealer in a dark alley that has no knowledge about business managment'

As much as regulation would call for a safer place to purchase them, the problem about government interference is because, the tobacco industry for example, it would be *likely* that the government, in retail sales, would put unnecessary chemicals like they do in cigarettes, making addiction more probable. Being a social smoker, I can understand that me smoking cigars isn't all that much better, but I don't even know if the government is putting these chemicals in the cigars I smoke. It would be nice to put these drug runners out of business, but unfortunately they are most likely going to try to create and grow some new form of drug that will cause more serious issues and side effects.

'In a truely free society people shouldn't restrict the freedom of others this is very relevant to the issue of banning drugs as drug usage is a victimless crime i consider banning it to be immoral.

Yes, I will agree that people shouldn't restrict the freedom of others. Unfortunately, compared to basic human rights of voting and job opportunities that aren't limited to gender or color, drugs have actually messed people and their families up because of the repercussions of usage. Heck, those who use drugs such as meth and cocaine actually deal with side effects that are mentally, physically, and emotionally harmful.

'Why do so many people overdose on drugs? for example heroin apart from its addictivness is almost harmless for your body the reason why people overdose on such drugs is because like i explained before they are forced to buy them from an unregulated market where drug dealers can put stuff into the drug to increase the value therefore customers are not sure how pure it is and might inject too much causing an overdose'

Umm....heroin is absolutely harmful for your body. (http://www.drugabuse.gov...). It is definitely true that drug dealers are able to lace their product, but that is really the risk that the users take from it, and that is not the government's responsibility. Injecting too much, again, is the risk the users take, because they need to inform themselves on how much is too much. Heck, even just one hit is too much.

'Drug addicts often how to commit crime to get money for their drug but if drugs were legalized the prices would go down and it wouldn't be such a hard job to get your next fix as it was before your life can be at least a tiny bit better'

Well, depending on the dealer, prices can vary. Also, what statistics or studies show that prices would go down?

'This point is really relevant if you are living in USA , 5% of the worlds population lives in USA yet 25% of all prisoners in the world are in USA around 80% of all drug aressts were for simply having drugs on you this is putting innocent people in prison and over crowding prisons that have to be paid for.

Having illegal drugs on you is a crime, If you commit a crime and are caught, you will go to jail. It is not the responsibility of the government to defend you if you broke the law, because laws are there for a reason. We do not have constitutional rights to possess illegal drugs.

'Taxing those who produce drugs will give the government a lot of money not much to add to this argument'

It's likely to occur, but even users of drugs will be taxed, which is similar to users of tobacco. (http://www.rjrt.com...)

'Statistics n 1970 there were 9000 convictions or cautions for drug offences and 15% of young people had used an illegal drug. In 1995 the figures were 94 000 and 45%. Prohibition doesn't work. Sources http://www.drugwarfacts.org......... http://www.poppies.ws......... 'Alexander the Great introduced poppies to the Near East, starting the flowers long history in Asia. Opium was largely used as a social drug in India and China. Ancient Asian texts described the medical properties of opium.' http://www.spiegel.de......... ' If it legalized drugs, the United States could save $85 billion to $90 billion per year. Roughly half that is spent on the current drugs policy and half that is lost in taxes that the state could have levied on legal drugs. '

With lack of drug prohibition, there will likely be more deaths from drug use, so arrest keeps people from dying from drug abuse and overdose. Would you like to see more deaths or arrests? With historical use and medicinal properties, there are those who say that marijuana is the same way. I will agree that such a drug has its own medicinal purposes, but recreational seems to be where people find the most trouble. I also do not understand your link to that German website, as I cannot find anything about drugs on the page you gave me. Maybe a clearer and direct link, please? Also, what statistics show the money saving and spending argument you made?

Thank you, and I await your rebuttal.
Debate Round No. 2
SebUK

Pro

SebUK forfeited this round.
vekoma123

Con

SebUK has forfeited this round.

I would also like to point out that they have created another debate thread on the same topic with the same opening argument here: http://www.debate.org...

I also should mention that they said, in the other debate when their opponent forfeited, 'Vote pro ... Unfortunatly my partner can't come up with good arguments'.

Pathetic,
Debate Round No. 3
SebUK

Pro

. . ' I must stress the term 'drug war'. With the violence that goes on between gangs and officers who are in this war, it is all for the cause of safety of others, including the users themselves ' War on Drugs is a term commonly applied to a campaign of prohibition, military aid and military intervention, with the stated aim being to define and reduce the illegal drug trade-Wikipedia ' it is all for the cause of safety of others, including the users themselves. Of course people do it for the thrill because they know it is illegal and that they are breaking the law, which is never okay because we have 'the law' for a reason. ' Actually there is a variety of Political and Economic reasons why drugs are illegal for example i would expect the Wood industry would be very much against the legalization of cannabis because of hemp production that this would lead to reducing the Wood Companies profit . . . 'because they know it is illegal and that they are breaking the law, which is never okay because we have 'the law' for a reason.' We have many stupid laws in fact many countries have stupid laws homosexuality for example is banned in a number of countries in Africa does that make homosexuals bad for breaking the law? what about slave traders ? slave trade used to be legal so because it wasn't illegal they shouldn't be considered bad/evil or criminals? Not everything the government says is a valid argument. . . 'As much as regulation would call for a safer place to purchase them, the problem about government interference is because, the tobacco industry for example, it would be *likely* that the government, in retail sales, would put unnecessary chemicals like they do in cigarettes, making addiction more probable' I only said the drugs could be sold by the government because it is an option not because i necceserily support that , I am a Libertarian and i generally belive businesses should be left on their own and i support private certifiers not government regulations i fully understand your concern but i personally belive in limited government involvement. . . . ' It would be nice to put these drug runners out of business, but unfortunately they are most likely going to try to create and grow some new form of drug that will cause more serious issues and side effects. ' The most harmful drugs like the Greek 'Sisa' i don't belive are likely to spread further than localy but even so how would prohibiting drugs stop them from doing so? If anything than legalizing drugs would make these new inventions safer . . . ' drugs have actually messed people and their families up because of the repercussions of usage. Heck, those who use drugs such as meth and cocaine actually deal with side effects that are mentally, physically, and emotionally harmful.' Yes drugs CAN be harmful and so are many other things stopping people from hurting themselves is the same as banning suicide or cutting yourself Those people who use these drugs made the decision to do so we are not responsible for them and even so not every addict is what the sterotypical picture is like it is actually very hard to spot an addict in a crowd. .
'Umm....heroin is absolutely harmful for your body. (http://www.drugabuse.gov......). It is definitely true that drug dealers are able to lace their product, but that is really the risk that the users take from it, and that is not the government's responsibility' Just how it is not the government's resposibility to arrest someone for putting a needle in their arm and your link mostly talked about the effects of being addicted to it. ' Well, depending on the dealer, prices can vary. Also, what statistics or studies show that prices would go down?' 'Let's talk about production costs first. With large-scale production, the price to produce a pound of marijuana could drop as low as 20 cents per pound, based on figures from Canada's industrial hemp farms, ' http://money.howstuffworks.com... i expect other drugs to follow a similar pattern and most experts agree . 'Having illegal drugs on you is a crime, If you commit a crime and are caught, you will go to jail. It is not the responsibility of the government to defend you if you broke the law, because laws are there for a reason. We do not have constitutional rights to possess illegal drugs.' Yes Laws exist ? does that mean we cannot change them? we do not have a constitutional right to possess Marijuana but you are still in favour of legalizing it just like i am in favour of legalizing all the others like i said before people make bad laws and i don't neccesary see someone who brakes the law as bad. 'With lack of drug prohibition, there will likely be more deaths from drug use, so arrest keeps people from dying from drug abuse and overdose. Would you like to see more deaths or arrests? ' Like i said before the number of overdoses would go down because the market would be regulated people overdose because they buy from a black market in which dealers decide how many % of the stuff they are selling is pure. and why would there be more arrests ? why would there be more deaths from drug abuse if drugs were legal? I forteified the round because i was busy and my opponent seems really abusive about it for some reason 'I would also like to point out that they have created another debate thread on the same topic with the same opening argument here: http://www.debate.org......' um So?
vekoma123

Con

And you seemed to ignore my request about formatting...

"War on Drugs is a term commonly applied to a campaign of prohibition, military aid and military intervention, with the stated aim being to define and reduce the illegal drug trade-Wikipedia"

I don"t understand your argument here. Intervention with military and control is for the protection of potential innocent citizens that may be caught in the crossfire, intervention of illegal drug users themselves, and even border protection against drug smugglers. ICE agents, border patrol, police, military, they are all involved for a reason, and that is for the removal and break of drug transport and use.

"Actually there is a variety of Political and Economic reasons why drugs are illegal for example i would expect the Wood industry would be very much against the legalization of cannabis because of hemp production that this would lead to reducing the Wood Companies profit"

True, just like it is for putting the tobacco industry out of business. That"s not really much that could be said though because even if it will "reduce", i"m quite certain that not everyone will conform to an alternative to wood and tobacco. Some don"t want to be high from smoking or completely rebuild wooden structures that are already durable enough to use.

"We have many stupid laws in fact many countries have stupid laws homosexuality for example is banned in a number of countries in Africa does that make homosexuals bad for breaking the law? what about slave traders ? slave trade used to be legal so because it wasn't illegal they shouldn't be considered bad/evil or criminals? Not everything the government says is a valid argument"

Illegal drug use is not a civil right, while homosexuality is. Slave trade invaded civil rights as well.

"I only said the drugs could be sold by the government because it is an option not because i necceserily support that , I am a Libertarian and i generally belive businesses should be left on their own and i support private certifiers not government regulations i fully understand your concern but i personally belive in limited government involvement"

Great to hear you are a Libertarian, and I respect your political affiliations. I"m a moderate, and as much as I feel that there should be more restrictions on what the government does in your life, drug war is an issue throughout our entire nation, and it seems that states don"t want any part on it, when, again, our nation is being affected.

Also, with what you said about businesses being left on their own, you said that "drug dealers can put stuff into the drug to increase the value therefore customers are not sure how pure it is". Are you now taking that back when it comes to independent markets and sales?

"The most harmful drugs like the Greek 'Sisa' i don't belive are likely to spread further than localy but even so how would prohibiting drugs stop them from doing so? If anything than legalizing drugs would make these new inventions safer"

Drugs that come into our country aren"t local, and prohibition allows the law to be enforced against illegal drugs and users of them, and even if it isn"t prison time, there allows intervention for the possibility of rehab of users that are practically killing themselves. Even if there is regulation to potentially make them safer, drugs are drugs, and just as much as the tobacco industry is distributing products that kill people from cancer, you never know.

"Yes drugs CAN be harmful and so are many other things stopping people from hurting themselves is the same as banning suicide or cutting yourself Those people who use these drugs made the decision to do so we are not responsible for them and even so not every addict is what the sterotypical picture is like it is actually very hard to spot an addict in a crowd"

As much as I can see your point in the first comment on this quote, why even if it wasn"t banned, people will still hurt themselves, just like suicide and cutting. As much as it is purely their responsibility, what about the affects it has on those that love and care about them? Spouses, children, parents, family, friends? They need to look at the entire spectrum. How are there stereotypes? You are either an addict or you are not, and will experience the same repurcussions.

"Just how it is not the government's resposibility to arrest someone for putting a needle in their arm and your link mostly talked about the effects of being addicted to it."

I realize that I sound hypocritical there considering how I was talking about repercussions and intervention. I feel that it relies more on state protection and intervention, but in the end, it leads up to government laws and federal crimes. With effects, that goes to what I said about the risk(s) that users take.

"Let's talk about production costs first. With large-scale production, the price to produce a pound of marijuana could drop as low as 20 cents per pound, based on figures from Canada's industrial hemp farms, 'http://money.howstuffworks.com...... i expect other drugs to follow a similar pattern and most experts agree"

I appreciate that you offered the source, however that really counts on Canada, and U.S. being based on state to state. It"s possible that other drugs may follow suit, but that"s really up to the future to figure out.

"Yes Laws exist ? does that mean we cannot change them? we do not have a constitutional right to possess Marijuana but you are still in favour of legalizing it just like i am in favour of legalizing all the others like i said before people make bad laws and i don't neccesary see someone who brakes the law as bad. "

Oh absolutely, we can always change laws. Yes, I am in favor of legalizing it, but that doesn"t mean that I support breaking current laws.

"Like i said before the number of overdoses would go down because the market would be regulated people overdose because they buy from a black market in which dealers decide how many % of the stuff they are selling is pure. and why would there be more arrests ? why would there be more deaths from drug abuse if drugs were legal?"

People overdose either because of personal error, they don"t know the appropriate amount to use, or because of the people they buy it from. I can agree with one of those, but it"s all personal choice and responsibility, with laws that are there for protection and possible rehabilitation if that is the way a person"s wishes to do so if they have not been caught.

Of course if they are legal, there will be less arrests, but that doesn"t make it that there will be less deaths from drugs, considering that people die from legal drugs as well, such as tobacco.

"I forteified the round because i was busy and my opponent seems really abusive about it for some reason"

I accept your excuse, but don"t get yourself involved in a debate if you can"t make the time for it.

'um So?"

Checked the date of that argument, my mistake.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by PiedPiper 2 years ago
PiedPiper
Is this meant to apply to a particular country or just all countries in general?
Posted by SebUK 2 years ago
SebUK
Yes
Posted by Cheetah 2 years ago
Cheetah
Legalisation of ALL drugs?
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