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Diaz
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jh1234l
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Legalization of marijuana

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Started: 11/3/2012 Category: Science
Updated: 4 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Diaz

Pro

Even though some people think that marijuana is bad for health and should be illegal, still for the society it is more beneficial to legalize it rather than waste money on ineffective war against it. Prohibition does not help in any way it causes problems and costs big money, that U.S. government currently spend billions of dollars every year to chase peaceful people who use marijuana, and that taxpayers have to pay for food, housing, health care, attorney fees, court costs, and other expenses to lock these people up
jh1234l

Con

"Some people think that marijuana is bad for health."

It is bad for health, this is a fact, not something people think.

"Aside from a subjective change in perception and, most notably, mood, the most common short-term physical and neurological effects include increased heart rate, increased appetite and consumption of food,lowered blood pressure, impairment of short-term and working memory, psychomotor coordination, and concentration. Long-term effects are less clear. A July 2012 report in Brain reveals neural-connectivity impairment in some brain regions following prolonged cannabis use initiated in adolescence or young adulthood. " [1]

Cannabis is another word for marijuana. [1]

"Prohibition does not help in any way it causes problems and costs big money. The U.S. government currently spend billions of dollars every year to chase PEACEFUL people who use marijuana."

1st, Banning this will help, because it prevents all these heart rate increasing and decreasing memory and the not-so-clear long term impact.

2nd, These are not peaceful people. There are drug related crimes everywhere. These "Peaceful" people could possibly be criminals.

"Around 80 to 90 per cent of crime is related to alcohol and drug misuse, according to one of New Zealand's top judges."[2]

Plus, "does not help in any way" is not a valid argument as you do not have any sources to back it up.

Now I'll say why you should ban marijuana.

1. It IS harmful to health, not just imagined to be.
2. Without proper medical knowledge, ingestion of it can be potentially dangerous.
3. It also causes crime.
4. It impairs concentration, [1] which could potentially cause the same danger as drinking and driving. No one wants people to get injured in a car crash.

[1]http://en.wikipedia.org...
[2]http://www.stuff.co.nz...
Debate Round No. 1
Diaz

Pro

Through all your arguments such as: "Around 80 to 90 per cent of crime is related to alcohol and drug misuse, according to one of New Zealand's top judges."[2], 1. It IS harmful to health, not just imagined to be. 3. It also causes crime., It impairs concentration, [1] which could potentially cause the same danger as drinking and driving. No one wants people to get injured in a car crash. I can see strong connection between marijuana and alcohol, but alcohol is still legal and profitable, not because it is good for health but because no matter if it is legal or not, people will still use it. Same thing with marijuana. Moreover, humanity also loses out on the benefits of industrial hemp, which has no recreational effect and could be an extremely useful crop for farmers and industry. And even though governments are wasting enormous amount of money on "Marijuana War", humanity is still not wining in it. As governments at all levels pour more lawyers, guns, and money into this militarized marijuana prohibition, people still obtain it easily and supply and demand are totally uninterrupted on a macro scale; one dealer falls, another pops up. War on marijuana, like alcohol prohibition before it, creates and fuels the criminal underclass, organized crime, and drug cartels. If marijuana were legalized, violent drug cartels would lose the principal source of their income. Also legalizing marijuana would create a new multi-billion dollar industry with a substance that can be taxed by the government, thereby, generating more money to fund government programs and create more jobs
jh1234l

Con

"Moreover, humanity also loses out on the benefits of industrial hemp, which has no recreational effect and could be an extremely useful crop for farmers and industry. And even though governments are wasting enormous amount of money on "Marijuana War", humanity is still not wining in it. As governments at all levels pour more lawyers, guns, and money into this militarized marijuana prohibition, people still obtain it easily and supply and demand are totally uninterrupted on a macro scale; one dealer falls, another pops up. War on marijuana, like alcohol prohibition before it, creates and fuels the criminal underclass, organized crime, and drug cartels. If marijuana were legalized, violent drug cartels would lose the principal source of their income. Also legalizing marijuana would create a new multi-billion dollar industry with a substance that can be taxed by the government, thereby, generating more money to fund government programs and create more jobs."

As I said before, Marijuana is harmful to health, and also affects non-addicts too, in ways such as impaired driving.
With this legalized, medicaid will need more money, and there is still more victims, while the corporations make big money selling marijuana. This tax partially fills in the higher medicaid costs, but the marijuana corporation gets more money and expands. As it expands, it makes more people consume marijuana, so there is a higher medicaid cost. This loop makes a bubble that will eventually burst. The stock market is not going to be the only one hit, but also people's health.

Plus, marijuana is not a "extremely useful crop" as it is unnecessary for people's survival. This also takes up space that people can use for essential food crops like:

Wheat, soybeans, corn, potatoes, carrots, lettuce, spinach, rice, barley, etc.

In conclusion:

Marijuana: Does not help the economy other than creating a billion-dollar bubble that will burst someday; is bad to people's health; also harms non-addicts and distracts farmers from their actual job.
Debate Round No. 2
Diaz

Pro

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reports that more than 37,000 annual U.S. deaths are attributed to alcohol use alone. On the other hand, the CDC does not even have a category for deaths caused by the use of marijuana. The official publication of the Scientific Research Society, American Scientist, reported that alcohol is one of the most toxic drugs and using just 10 times what one would use to get the desired effect could lead to death. Marijuana is one of, if not the least toxic drugs, requiring thousands of times the dose one would use to get the desired effect to lead to death. This "thousands of times" is actually theoretical, since there has never been a case of an individual dying from a marijuana overdose. Also it is easier for school children to obtain marijuana than beer or cigarettes, because marijuana dialers do not care how old people are as long as they have money, and because alcohol and cigarettes are legal and regulated to keep it away from kids.

In conclusion, throughout the history humanity used marijuana for different purposes, and no matter if it is legal or not people will continue using it in the future. Humanity has no other choice rather than legalize it and profit from it, because prohibitions and wars against marijuana are not working and never will.
jh1234l

Con

"There are no reports of Marijuana related deaths."

Let's see...

Hamish Turner, the president of the Coroners' Society, told The Telegraph that the marijuana, often portrayed as harmless, has increasingly been the cause of deaths that have been reported as accidents or suicides. "Cannabis is as dangerous as any other drug and people must understand that it kills," said Mr Turner. "From my long experience I can say that it is a very dangerous substance. Increasingly it is mentioned not only as the first drug taken by people who overdose, but also in suicides and accidental deaths. [1]

Plus, taking marijuana and driving afterwards reduces the driver's concentration. [2] This could be an "accidental" death.

Plus, my opponent did not adequately refute my following arguments:

Marijuana will create a billion-dollar bubble that will burst someday.

Harms non-addicts by impaired driving.

Distracts farmers from their job.

Pro also changed standing on this several times.

Round 1: He thinks marijuana is only imagined to be harmful and should not be banned.

"Even though some people THINK that marijuana is bad for health and should be illegal, ..."

Round 2: Now he changes to: Just because alcohol is legal means marijuana should be legal.

"I can see strong connection between marijuana and alcohol, but alcohol is still legal and profitable."

Round 3: Now he says that it does not cause death, while ignoring my following arguments: impaired driving (indirect death), all the symptoms, the big bubble it will make in the economy (Which will eventually burst.) and distracting farmers from their job.

Then he goes on to say that just people will find illegal ways to get it, it should be legal.

In conclusion,

Pro only said prohibition of marijuana (cannabis) will not work, but the only reason he gave is that it is costly (with no source listed) and if it works or not is only based on Pro's personal experience, because he did not list how many people smoke cannabis before and after banning, etc.

Marijuana harms victims both directly (by overdose) and indirectly (impaired driving), and legalizing it will only cause this bubble (Which will pop.):

Marijuana company sells marijuana--> People get sick --> Higher medicaid and medicare costs--> The tax the marijuana corporation fills in the blank--> Corporation expands, resulting in more drug users--> The circle goes all over again.

[1]http://alcoholism.about.com...
[2]http://en.wikipedia.org...
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by drstrange 3 years ago
drstrange
Although the debate was interesting, I have a possible response to Cons points: "Cannabis regulation could create an economic bubble that would burst, and farmers would be distracted from their jobs".
Almost every economic commodity revolves around a bubble and burst cycle; real estate, dot com etc, yet new industry equals new dollars for the economy. Are tobacco and grape farmers also distracted from growing food? Farmers grow whats in demand and what there location can grow.
Posted by thefrash 4 years ago
thefrash
I believe both sides made their cases and both interresting. But I agree that cannabis is way less harmful than other substances (alcohol and other actual drugs). How does cannabis cause more crime?? I am just confused on this.(I am NOT high lol) I think that it should be legal because the reason it was made illegal was targeted at black and Hispanic people, you know minorities, thus the name marijuana. so they wanted a comment to vote here it is lol. good debate y'all :)
Posted by Xanatos 4 years ago
Xanatos
My only comment on this topic is that Marijuana is the only substance on earth that humans consume that has a 0 death rate. So why is illegal?
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Vote Placed by RationalMadman 4 years ago
RationalMadman
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Reasons for voting decision: Grammar is missing full stops for pro's round one debate at end and missing commas in many places. Con had more reliable sources. It's just a fact. Arguments to pro because actually the feasibility issue was a huge argument that destroyed con.