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DJBruce
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Started: 1/3/2009 Category: Miscellaneous
Updated: 8 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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WINNER

Pro

BACKGROUND INFORMATION AND CONTENTIONS

Definition of Prostitution- the act or practice of engaging in sexual intercourse for money.

5 B.C. Prostitution has been around since 5 B.C according to the Anti-Trafficking Foundation. Prostitution is the oldest profession in the world. It's obvious that our efforts to end prostitution aren't working. If prostitution is legalized, it will benefit not only the workers themselves, but all American citizens. It will significantly lower the crime rate and the spread of STD's as well. For these numerous contentions, I hold an affirmative stance on this idea. I have one question to ask you. Who are we to say that women and men cannot give away services that they are otherwise at liberty to give away? The actual act, a prostitute and their customer agreeing on an exchange of money for sex, violates no one's rights. While the spread of disease and other detriments are possible in the practice of prostitution, criminalization is a sure way of heightening rather than addressing such effects. We need to make this act safer and to do that, we must legalize prostitution. According to prostitutionresearch.gov, for every prostitute, it costs us two thousand dollars. If that's the case, then every year, we spend billions of dollars on the one million prostitutes residing in the U.S today according to the Global Sexual Exploitation Foundation. This money is being spent on unsuccessful efforts to end prostitution and it's apparent that prostitution will never end. Therefore, if we cannot end it, we must regulate it.

FIRST CONTENTION- LOWER CRIME RATE

Legalizing prostitution will lower the crime rate, my first contention. The criminalization of prostitution forces it underground to dangerous conditions. Horrible crimes could be committed without any acknowledgment from the police. Prostitutes are very reluctant to report these crimes committed against them because they will then have to admit that they were committing a crime themselves. This lets those murders, robbers, and killers out on the street freely to harm you or your family. Security would be enforced to ensure the safety of the workers and clients and if we legalize prostitution, it will no longer allow these crimes to be committed, and the workers will be more willing to notify the police of any crimes. For example since prostitution has been legalized in certain areas of Nevada, the crime rate has lowered 16% and earns the state 400 million dollars according to the New York Times.

SECOND CONTENTION- REDUCE SPREAD OF STDS

As well as lowering crime rates, if prostitution is legalized, it will significantly lower the STD rates and significantly raise the worker and client's safety. We can provide for the workers and clients birth contraceptives thus, we can control the spread of dangerous diseases. But right now, those 1 million workers and clients could be spreading STD's to hundreds of people unknowingly. Mandatory check-ups will make certain that the workers are in great health and security provided by the Federal Government will stop the risks of workers from being beaten, harmed, or even murdered. All in all, the answer to a safer, improved, environment for all Americans is to legalize prostitution. This is why I urge every senator to vote in affirmation of this idea.

THIRD CONTENTION- BETTER FOR OUR ENVIRONMENT

Instead of having sex workers roaming the streets night and day, we can have them working in regulated brothels in designated spots, during specific hours of the day. This means that you or your children will not be exposed to them. It will not expose them to some of the horrific things that happen to prostitutes. Such as rape, murder, robbery, abuse, etc.

FOURTH CONTENTION- MORE MONEY FOR ECONOMY AND STATE

If we made prostitution legal, the government could tax it, and use the tax money for things to help out-like roads, and even books for children in schools. Instead of spending at least $2000 dollars per prostitute, we could make billions off of it.

Thank you and good luck to whoever excepts this debate. I appreciate it:)
DJBruce

Con

In 1986 Victoria Australia legalized prostitution and brothels and installed a plan to have the prostitutes registered and check by medical professionals. Shortly after starting this program the STD rates increased. As a non-profit group that conducted a study on the Victoria case gave this statement, "Sexually transmitted diseases (STD) and AIDS increased. This was due to the fact that medical authorities examined only one of the partners in the sex act, which was self-defeating. Also, favourable medical results provided a false sense of security to clients, prostitutes and controllers. "

You say that you wish to have all prostitutes examined by a medical professional. The average consult for STD's with a medical professionals is $150 per visit with test costing extra. If every prostitute in the United States was tested monthly, which would do nothing to stop the spread of STD's, the government would have to pay roughly $1,800,000,000 in medical examinations alone. So the government would spend just as much as it is now to pay for the testing and examination of the prostitutes.

Not to mention legalizing prostitution encourages women to enter a career where they cannot make a living. In Australia the average prostitute made less than 500 Australian dollars a week. That's a yearly salary of roughly $26,000, before taxes and FICA withholding. Instead of encouraging women to enter a career where they while smuggle to make a living why don't we encourage women to go back to school or finish school, by using the money that would be spent on administering medical examinations and using it to fund educational scholarships.

Legalizing prostitution does not mean an end to illegal prostitution or street prostitution. There will always be people attempting to illegally exploit women for sex. Australia had an estimated $30 million sex trade industry, and of all the states in Australia Victoria the had the highest number of reported child prostitution during the time that prostitution was legal in Victoria.

Even with it legal it still led to crime in Victoria, on average 2 rapes and one assault where reported by prostitutes per night, with multiple prostitutes murdered each year. So legalizing prostitution will not will not stop prostitutes from being harmed or murder.

In conclusion prostitution should remain illegal. It should remain this way because it does nothing good for a society. It increases STD's and does nothing to reduce illegal prostitution. It leads to an increase in sex trafficking and child molestation.

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Debate Round No. 1
WINNER

Pro

My opponent starts out by comparing the U.S.A to Victoria Australia. First off, I would like to state that the U.S. is an INDUSTRIALIZED NATION, whereas Victoria Australia is NOT. Do you know what this means? This means that our standard are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT from Victoria Australia. By legalizing prostitution in both places, they could have completely different effects due to the industrialization. This means that my opponents arguements are basically FALSE, INACCURATE, AND UNRELIABLE. How can we base the effects of a law when they are being compared to two COMPLETELY different places? We can not.

Quote of Opponent: The average consult for STD's with a medical professionals is $150 per visit with test costing extra. If every prostitute in the United States was tested monthly, which would do nothing to stop the spread of STD's, the government would have to pay roughly $1,800,000,000 in medical examinations alone. So the government would spend just as much as it is now to pay for the testing and examination of the prostitutes.

If every prostitute were tested monthly it would do something. I would rather have them checked than not check at all. This is commen sense. Are we not tested monthly? Is this not how STD'S are caught? Saying what you said would basically state that our OWN testing methods do not work. If we were not to legalize prostitution, we would have to arrest EACH AND EVERY ONE, PAY FOR COURT COSTS, PRISON COSTS, JAIL TIME. Do you know where all this money comes from? OUR TAX DOLLARS. It's obvious those tax dollars are going to waste. The current costs of arrests for prostitutes are $205,610,400. Now, to catch every single one would be $3,750,340,000. This would NOT include costs of imprisonment, court costs, etc. Are you sure the costs are equal if we do or do NOT legalize prostitution?http://www.wmich.edu...

Quote of Opponent: Not to mention legalizing prostitution encourages women to enter a career where they cannot make a living. In Australia the average prostitute made less than 500 Australian dollars a week. That's a yearly salary of roughly $26,000, before taxes and FICA withholding.

Women do not enter into this career. A study shos that 87% of prostitutes are forced to enter because of they can not provide for themselves. Any woman would know such dangers of this job and legalizing would in NOW WAY make others WANT to enter this practice. It would only make those who are ALREADY in it more safer. Also, you stated that they don't make much money. But, wouldn't you rather them make some money safely, then no money at all? I'm sure you know the answer to this question.

Quote from Opponent: Legalizing prostitution does not mean an end to illegal prostitution or street prostitution.

First of all, LEGALIZING PROSTITUTION. This means ANY FORM of prostitution is LEGAL. Thus, there would no longer be any such thing as "illegal prostitution." Also it would stop street prostitution because workers would operate in DESIGNATED brothels during DESIGNATED hours. They would be operated and monitored.

Quote from Opponent: Even with it legal it still led to crime in Victoria, on average 2 rapes and one assault where reported by prostitutes per night, with multiple prostitutes murdered each year. So legalizing prostitution will not will not stop prostitutes from being harmed or murder.

I would first like to state that the U.S. is almost 1 AND A HALF TIMES the size, so thus there is INCREASED crime and comparing such DIFFERENT places is not a good basis for evaluating how well legalized prostitution would work. I aslo stated that since the worker are on federal land, they would be secured by them as well. This means that they would provide all different types of security thus DECREASING crime.

Quote from Opponent: It increases STD's and does nothing to reduce illegal prostitution.

Prostitutes have NO MANDATORY MONTHLY check-ups. This is why there is such wide-spread STD'S. It's COMMON sense that with check-ups, this crisis will decrease. Having some check-ups then none AT ALL will have at least a small effect on the growing number of STD infected workers.

Quote from opponent: It should remain this way because it does nothing good for a society.

How it does something good to society:
-Keeps them off the streets because in order to perform their ect, they must do it in their designated brothel.
-Security would be provided thus REDUCING crime.
-STD'S would decrease because of the MONTHLY CHECK-UPS.
-Legalization improves neighborhoods and promotes safety*
-Legalization promotes liberty and privacy*
-Legalization benefits sex workers and their clients*
-Legalization puts law-enforcement resources to better uses*
*I will go into furthur detail.

Legalization improves neighborhoods and promotes safety

By forcing prostitution out of places where it would more naturally be found, such as in brothels or near motels, the police drive that activity into the streets of neighborhoods where it otherwise would not exist. As a result, residents of the neighborhoods are exposed to the activity against their will.

Also because of prostitution being forced into the streets, the dangers to many prostitutes greatly increase. Prostitutes whose jobs involve working at night and getting into cars with strangers can be, and often have been, easy pickings for serial killers and other sociopaths. James Alan Fox, a criminal justice professor at Northeastern University, says prostitutes are the most frequent targets for serial killers.

Legalization promotes liberty and privacy

Laws against prostitution violate Americans' fundamental rights of individual liberty and personal privacy. Thomas Jefferson and other founders of the U.S. envisioned a society where people can live without interference from government, provided they don't harm others.

Similar to issues such as birth control, abortion, and the right to death with dignity, this issue involves people's fundamental rights to control their own bodies and decide the best way to conduct their lives. Alan Soble noted, "The freedom to choose one's reasons for engaging in sex is an important part of sexual freedom."

In a free society, it makes no sense for the government to be telling persons - particularly the poor - they cannot charge a fee for harmless services they otherwise are at liberty to give away. To paraphrase George Carlin: Selling is legal, and sex is legal, so why isn't selling sex legal?

Legalization benefits sex workers and their clients

Many people work in the sex industry because they see it as their only means of alleviating serious financial problems. Other sex workers aren't poor but simply enjoy that type of work and receive both income and personal satisfaction from it.

Likewise for the customers, there's no reason their freedom should not include the right to purchase the companionship and affection they may want but, for whatever reason, don't find in other aspects of their lives.

Legalization puts law-enforcement resources to better uses

Numerous legal commentators point out that using law enforcement resources against prostitution reduces substantially the resources available to fight serious crimes committed against persons or property. This nation desperately needs more efforts applied to solving those crimes, because arrests are being made in connection with only about 20% of them.

Conclusion

Our society would be better served if the police directed their efforts away from the activities of consenting adults and toward preventing and solving real crimes involving clear victims and injustices.
DJBruce

Con

First off, my comparison between America and Victoria Australia are completely valid. According to the United Nations Human Development Index Australia as a whole is ranked third behind only Norway and Iceland. Guess where America is; tenth. Also Victoria itself has a population of over five million, that's larger than 29 of the states in America. Victoria's population also have product per capita of almost $50,000 which is larger than 48 of the states in America. So I believe it is obvious that your claims that Victoria is unindustrialized is completely unbound and that my comparison is completely valid.

Having prostitutes checked monthly would do nothing to stop the spread of STD's unless that prostitute would only have one client per month. If a prostitute gets checked on the first of the month and has one client each day whats not to say the client on the second day of the month has an STD which would then cause the prostitute to contract the STD and spread it to 29 other clients before at her next exam she was told she could no longer work because she had and STD. With some STD's being estimated to being contracted by up to 25% of the American population the chances that one of the 30 clients has a STD is incredible likely.

By legalizing and claiming it safe when it is not you are simple asking for underprivileged women to enter a career where they will struggle to make a career. Also to expect no one to enter the career of prostitution as you suggest is completely irrational. As for, "wouldn't you rather them make some money safely, then no money at all?" I would rather they be sent back to school where they can learn a skill or trade that will allow them to make a good safe living.

There can be prostitution that would be illegal if it was legalized because if you legalize it you will force people to register and have examinations and not every prostituted will register and work in your designated areas.

My opponent said, "I would first like to state that the U.S. is almost 1 AND A HALF TIMES the size, so thus there is INCREASED crime and comparing such DIFFERENT places is not a good basis for evaluating how well legalized prostitution would work. I also stated that since the worker are on federal land, they would be secured by them as well. This means that they would provide all different types of security thus DECREASING crime."

As I said at the start my comparison is completely valid so you simply say that my comparison is invalid is simply skirting the actual point I made. Also who is "them" that will be securing them? Are you expecting to have police at every brothel because if so your "puts law-enforcement resources to better uses" point would simple be void.

You claim that prostitution is protected by the Constitution but if that is protected how can you advocate forcing people to work in designated areas. That also would be breaking someones fundamental rights. Also America is not an anarchist country were everyone can do as they please, we are a democracy where people can regulate certain behaviors that the majority deems unwanted. Prostitution is one of these behaviors that our society as a whole has deem unwanted and therefore illegal.

My opponent said, "harmless services" in reference to prostitution but prostitution is anything but harmless. Prostitution legal or illegal spreads dangerous life threatening diseases, puts women in a career where they will struggle to make a living for themselves let alone any children they might have, and puts women in a position where they are likely to be assaulted, abused, or worse. As prostitution it self serves no productive purpose in our society and harms so many in so many different ways I say that in no way should prostitution be legalized.

My opponent speaks mostly in the hypothetical saying that it would do this, I speak in reference to trials and there results. The legalization of prostitution in other counties has been tried and failed miserably doing no of the benefits my opponent say it does. Legalized prostitution led to an increase in violence and STD's it did not effect the human trafficking in the region and provided no benefit to the community. I have provide numerous sources showing the harm cuased by legalized prostitution while my opponent has mistakenly claimed the void.

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Debate Round No. 2
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Posted by jjmd280 8 years ago
jjmd280
Victoria, Australia is not industrialized?? It is, as your opponent will no doubt tell you, the MOST industrialized and densly populated state in Australia.

Melbourne, city (1991 pop. 2,761,995), capital of Victoria, SE Australia, on Port Phillip Bay at the mouth of the Yarra River. Melbourne, Australia's second largest city, is a rail and air hub and financial and commercial center. Wool and raw and processed agricultural goods are exported. The city is heavily industrialized; industries include shipbuilding and the manufacture of farm machinery, textiles, and electrical goods. Included in the Melbourne urban agglomeration are many coastal resorts.
Posted by jjmd280 8 years ago
jjmd280
DJBruce beat me to it - I had to go out - sorry. I look forward to this one. Good luck to both.
Posted by WINNER 8 years ago
WINNER
Alright you got it. You better take it! Get ready for a challenge:)
Posted by jjmd280 8 years ago
jjmd280
Change debate time to 2 days and I'll accept.
Posted by jjmd280 8 years ago
jjmd280
Roy - you are a laugh a minute. But, seriously - keep your day job.
Posted by RoyLatham 8 years ago
RoyLatham
I thought it interesting that San Francisco, perhaps the most left-wing city in the US, recently voted down an initiative that would have legalized prostitution. They may have thought that making it the only major city to legalize prostitution would have made them a target for undesirables. On the other hand, maybe word got out that WOMEN were involved.
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