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Legalize Shrooms in the US

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 9/16/2014 Category: Health
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Wallstreetatheist

Pro

Resolution: Psychedelic mushrooms should be legalalized in the United States

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Definitions:
Psychedelic mushrooms - mushrooms containing psilocybin and psilocin, most commonly in the genus psilocybe
Legal - permissible under law to cultivate, transport, sell, and possess
United States - A federal republic in North America [http://en.wikipedia.org...]

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Beryllium

Con

Hello!
Thanks for accepting and I look forward to the debate.
Debate Round No. 1
Wallstreetatheist

Pro

Signposting

  1. Intro

  2. Shrooms are Safe

  3. Shrooms are Wonderful

  4. Shrooms have Medical uses

  5. Logic and Morality of Legalization

  6. Problems with Prohibition


Intro

What the heck are shrooms? They are around 200 mushrooms that contain psilocybin and psilocin (and baeocystin and norbaeocystin), psychedelic substances that alter consciousness. Why do people take them? For spiritual, religious, recreational, and medical purposes. What do they do? Shrooms change your perception of time, light, sound, and reality; you feel deeply connected to other people and forms of life; your ego and selfishness is suspended; and you feel a profound range of emotions, while understanding yourself and the world in a fresh perspective. Why were they made illegal after thousands of years of profound use? Throughout the 1960's counter-culture movement the US government and media portrayed hippie drugs (e.g. shrooms and LSD) as dangerous and immoral, leading to their ban in 1968. No sufficient reason for the ban, but the closest guess is that “There is no money to be made with a non-patentable drug that is given only once or twice in a lifetime.” Yes, Big Pharma. Check out Big Pharma: How the World's Biggest Drug Companies Control Illness.


1. Shrooms are Safe


a. Toxicity

Shrooms are the second least toxic drug in most analyses, next to marijuana when taken orally. [http://www.theatlantic.com...]. There is no direct lethality with shrooms, while legal pharmaceuticals and alcohol kill frequently. [4. http://www.popsci.com...].

b. Addiction

Shrooms are the least addictive drug [http://upload.wikimedia.org...]. Furthermore, there is virtually no withdrawal syndrome when chronic use of this drug is ceased [How Drugs Influence Behavior 1996]. And even if the user wanted to take shrooms daily, he’d get diminishing effects as tolerance builds up immediately [http://oi47.tinypic.com...].

c. Societal Cost

Unlike the well-known violence from alcohol, shrooms have negligible societal costs, as they reduce blood flow to the cingulate cortex, the region of the brain responsible for extreme thoughts or behavior [http://www.psychologytoday.com...]. Some researchers would argue, they offer a tremendous societal benefit: more open, less selfish, happier people [http://karmajello.com...].

d. Psychosis

Shrooms can’t produce psychosis in mentally healthy people, but it can rarely elicit pre-existing (and subsided) psychological conditions, such as schizophrenia, even though no physical harm is possible from psilocin [http://www.psychologytoday.com...].

e. School

Users did not believe that psilocybin negatively impacts their academics, mental health, or physical health [http://www.sciencedirect.com...].

f. Overall Harm

When evaluated on 16 criteria (e.g. physical, psychological, social) shrooms was found to be the least dangerous drug in a recent study [http://www.sg.unimaas.nl...].


2. Shrooms are Wonderful


a. Tripping

You get to experience the “other side of the coin.” [see Intro] “You are an observer experiencing something but you are not a human being who has a certain identity. You are pure agency capable of experiencing the true nature of the universe [http://www.psychologytoday.com...].”

b. After-Effects

“The after-effects the research participants reported included feeling more patient, optimistic, inquisitive and being better able to engage with friends and family after their psychedelic experience, and the effects were still there more than a year later. All the volunteers in the studies at Hopkins seemed authentically connected to their deepest aspirations and purpose [above].”


3. Shrooms Have Medical Uses


a. Depression

Most people experience euphoria and positivity after a shroom trip (most likely due to psilocin’s closeness to seratonin--a ‘feel good’ neurotransmitter). Additionally “Psilocybin decreases brain activity in regions such as the medial prefrontal cortex,” he explains, “that are overactive in depression [http://medicalxpress.com...].”

b. Cluster Headaches

In a 2006 study, half of cluster headache patients reported that psilocybin aborted the attacks, and most reported extended remission periods; similar results were reported for LSD [http://www.maps.org...]. Here’s some footage for those of you unfamiliar with cluster headaches: [http://goo.gl...].

c. PTSD

Researchers discover that psychedelic mushrooms can grow brain cells; erase conditioned fear response in mice [http://ultraculture.org...].

d. Mental Health

“Researchers found that lifetime use of psilocybin or mescaline and past year use of LSD were associated with lower rates of serious psychological distress [http://www.scienceagogo.com...].”

e. Reducing Fear of Death

“Administering psilocybin to terminally ill subjects could be done safely while reducing the subjects’ anxiety and depression about their impending deaths [http://www.nytimes.com...].”

f. Addiction Treatment

Shrooms has been proven to treat addictions to cigarettes and alcohol. “Researchers at Johns Hopkins have found that magic mushrooms may be the best smoking cessation therapy available [http://ultraculture.org...].”


4. Logic and Morality of Legalization

a. Morality: Self-Ownership

The US government does not own the bodies of individuals. No one else alone or combined has a higher claim to your body than yourself. You own your own body, and as such you have the exclusive right to determine what goes in it: shrooms, kale, eye drops and all. Legalizing affirms this moral principle.

b. Logic: Peanuts

The argument Scare story X :. Ban Shrooms is a non sequitur. The deaths each year from peanuts (75-125 direct in US) greatly exceed shrooms (0 direct, 1-5 indirect), and there’s even a 0.6% incidence of peanut allergy in the US. Did the US ban peanuts? No, because millions of other people safely enjoy peanuts. The same holds true for shrooms: if millions of people safely enjoy them, one scare story of some guy with pre-existing psychological conditions jumping out of a window doesn’t change that.


5. Problems with Prohibition

a. Black Markets

Instead of education, research, and safety in the shroom industry, we’re left with buying the drugs from thugs without confidence of their quality, hunting them in the forest (associated with inadvertent mushroom poisoning), or risking everything we have growing them ourselves.

b. Enforcement Costs

Police officers, probation officers, courts, prisons, prisoners cost time and money, plus the loss of economic productivity from the arrested user.

c. Societal Costs

When a mushroom user/grower/seller/transporter is incarcerated a family loses a father, a business loses an employee, a man/woman loses their life, liberty, and property.

d. NAP

The non-aggression principle argues that it is immoral to initiate violence against someone who hasn’t done so to to you or your property. It is immoral for the US Gov to initiate violence against a man simply using shrooms, because he owns his own body and has not aggressed against anyone else.


Now I'll turn it over to the Con :)
Beryllium

Con

Beryllium forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
Wallstreetatheist

Pro

Extend my arguments. Since there's nothing for me to rebut in the rebuttal round, I'll post some cool pictures.

















Beryllium

Con

Beryllium forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
Wallstreetatheist

Pro

Voting Issues:
Shrooms are safe, non-toxic, non-addictive, mind-expanding drugs that should be legalized for reasons of public health, recreation, and morality. Shrooms improve the well-being of individuals and the compassionate connectedness of groups for years after a single trip. Shrooms are used to effectively treat depression, cluster headaches, PTSD, improving mental health, reducing fear of death in terminally ill patients, and treating addiction to cigarettes and alcohol. It is immoral to violently prohibit the use of something that harms no one else, because to do so would be to claim a higher right to someone else's body than their own. Now every drug has risks, for shrooms it is rarely eliciting dormant psychological problems; however, we don't ban peanuts because 0.6% of people are allergic; we don't ban cars because 40,000 people are killed per year in them (in the US alone). We realize life itself is dangerous, each activity with its own risks, and we don't treat people like child slaves, using paternalism to take away their right to choose for themselves. Banning shrooms produces black markets, which allows for lower quality mushrooms and more dangerous purchasing a reality. Enforcing a ban has a large financial and personal costs on society. Finally to reiterate, it is immoral to initiate violence against peaceful people for choosing to put a beneficial fungi in their bodies.



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Beryllium

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Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by 9spaceking 2 years ago
9spaceking
RFD part 1
*Plays super cool rap-beat with music in the background

One debater, the one I didn't choose, didn't do absolutely anythin'
He got slayed by such laser, like a poor moose--he obviously tried everythin'
The winner is such obvious here, easily spotted as a donkey's rear
It's like the loser drank a gallon of beer, he's got a twisted unrealistic sneer

These people don't know how to respect or even wisely manage 'er time
It's always conduct point lost, the winner may taste victory but I taste lemon lime
This is happenin' so often it should be treated by the mod's as a grave crime
The commit-tors should be "rewarded" like in Brain Sludge--painted with slime

You may think your "arguments" are 100-percent unbeatable
Your "impressive hand of cards" an' "grand poker-face" unreadable
In reality you have such shame, even your friends think this incident unspeakable
Your tragic-horror story's so sad an' yet already set, it's un-completable
Posted by 9spaceking 2 years ago
9spaceking
RFD part 2
You forfeit-er, so darn blind, you wander around with a blank mind,
You can't do anything at all, an invisible mountain did you climb
If you had eyes they'd be completely raked--by you, my "great mate"
Your cookie dough of arguments is unbaked, judges gonna give you bad ranks

Please don't go and ask me for any advice, I can't be bo'ered with such li'l lice
I'd rather go eat a bowl of poisonous rice; you forfeiter can't be even be saved by Jesus Christ
You really don't fit the description "intelligent mind", compared to it you're really like a tiny mice
You may think your short rounds are "concise", oh sure they are, and you're just being nice

I shake my head at such incompetence, I really want to print this debate out and crumble it
Don't take any more debates from now on hence, you'll just be killed again, smashed like a poor kid
Your forfeitin' is such terrible I feel like vomitin', stompin' my feet on your rude red word carpet
So just don't do it--it belongs in the Town of Wrongitin, I'll just sell your ff's to the black market
Posted by Wallstreetatheist 2 years ago
Wallstreetatheist
"Do Mario's super mushrooms count as psychedelic?"
Yes, he's just one more Italian mobster selling drugs to establish a dynasty.
Posted by UchihaMadara 2 years ago
UchihaMadara
do mario's super mushrooms count as psychedelic?
Posted by Blade-of-Truth 2 years ago
Blade-of-Truth
"... with each state *having* different restrictions"
Posted by Blade-of-Truth 2 years ago
Blade-of-Truth
I think it goes by state with each state has different restrictions. For instance, in Florida shrooms are legal as long as they are still wet. It's when they are dried that they become illegal. I know this doesn't do much for the resolution but it might provide some clarification in regards to legality.
Posted by Wallstreetatheist 2 years ago
Wallstreetatheist
Feel free to type nice things in here too :)
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