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LeMarquisDEnfer
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Legalize marijuana in North American continent.

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Started: 8/12/2016 Category: Politics
Updated: 6 months ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Stupidape

Pro

I think we should legalize marijuana in the North American continent. I don't see how it makes much sense to have pot illegal in one state/nation and legal in the adjacent state/nation. With drug trafficking its too easy to cross the borders.

Since its common knowledge that we lost the war on drugs, I feel keeping weed as a contraband substance is a waste of resources. Thanks for the debate.

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0. http://www.thefreedictionary.com...
LeMarquisDEnfer

Con

I have several issues with the very premise of your argument. For starters I shall bring up sovereignty.

I agree that the prohibition of marijuana is not right, but I only have the right to influence this in my own federal, state, and local laws. For me the prohibition of marijuana has to do with The United States Government, the Ohio state government, and the decisions made by the counties and towns in my area. I would never attempt to impose a drug legalization on one of our closest neighbors. It would be an insult to their sovereignty. I feel from your level of education on this topic, with that "we should," as if we in American can just bop with map with our magic wand, that you imagine we have only three or so countries in North America.

The independent countries in North America are Antigua & Barbuda, Bahamas, Barbados, Belize, Canada, Costa Rica, Cuba, Dominica, Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Grenada, Guatemala, Haiti, Honduras, Jamaica, Mexico, Nicaragua, Panama, Saint Kitts & Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent & the Grenadines, Trinidad & Tobago, and The United States of America. There are also territories in the continent owned by several European countries[1]. Each of these countries, as an independent state or as extentions of a state that is outside of ourselves, has completely different laws that we have no rights on which to infringe, from the context of any one of those states[2]. And considering that many of these listed governments are within the United Nations[3] and therefore are in agreement to respect the independence of other states according to Article 2 (4) - Prohibition of threat or use of force in international relations[4] and Article 2 (7) - Non-intervention in domestic affairs by the United Nations[5]. There is no "we" that has any right to make a blanket legalization. It must be done one nation and state as a time, as it should be.

1. https://www.countries-ofthe-world.com...
2. http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com...
3. http://www.un.org...
4. http://www.un.org...
5. http://www.un.org...
Debate Round No. 1
Stupidape

Pro

"There is no "we" that has any right to make a blanket legalization. It must be done one nation and state as a time, as it should be." LeMarquisDEnfer


You are correct in this last statement. I did leave the implementation of such an endeavor to the imagination. I think we should convince the nations, states, and local government of the wisdom of such a plan first, and then change the laws to legalize pot. Now of course, a couple nations will resist and say "nay, we like our drug laws!"

Yet, enforcement of such drug laws will become nigh impossible when every nation and state around them legalizes weed. So, even if some governments fail to listen, and still have drug laws, they should get rid of the anti-weed laws.
LeMarquisDEnfer

Con

The point that you brought up was that we needed to legalize in all across the board in the continent of North America, not that anti-weed laws harm the countries that hold them. What you are suggesting is still that we apply unnecessary international pressures on those who disagree with us and make it harder for them to uphold their own laws, which once more, is their right to have[1]! This is not a debate over the legalization of marijuana in general. This is a debate over legalizing it in a blanket way that passes the individual states and countries because you cannot wait. You are also overlooking the fact that not all of the nations in this continent get along well. Cuba and The United States still have a trade embargo[2]. The laws of one nation will not even inevitably lead to the other nations legalizing. If you look at a map of levels of legalization you will see that it is pretty common for a country not to even border another country on the same level of legalization[3].

1. http://www.un.org...
2. http://www.cfr.org...
3. http://www.huffingtonpost.com...
Debate Round No. 2
Stupidape

Pro

I'm not implying that we should implore international pressures at all. You seem to be creating straw men lighting them on fire and kicking them around. I'm simply stating that legalizing marijuana in North America is logical. Btw, your source makes an awesome argument for legalizing pot.

From decriminalizing all drugs the results were less drug use among 13-15 year-olds, HIV infection rates dropped, drug trafficking and drug-related deaths fell. Which implies that people were seeking drugs as the forbidden fruit. Please tell your representative in government that you desire for pot to be legal.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com...
LeMarquisDEnfer

Con

I didn't reduce myself to the strawman argument, you just failed to lay out your point properly in the opening statement, so now we are arguing over whether or not "we" need to legalize it "in the North American continent." I am against prohibition of marijuana and almost everything else, but what you are asking for in your opening statement is a blanket legalization. You are also very much asking that we use pressure to break them of their laws. You said it yourself, "I don't see how it makes much sense to have pot illegal in one state/nation and legal in the adjacent state/nation," concerning the individual countries' and states' rights to decide their own laws. "Yet, enforcement of such drug laws will become nigh impossible when every nation and state around them legalizes weed." That would be you suggesting we use pressures to impair the law enforcement efforts of other states. This is to disrespect their sovereignty entirely. This is not a debate on weed legalization. This is a debate on weed legalization in North America. You cannot just make the two synonymous and override international agreements or your own statements.
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