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Legalizing Euthanasia (Both Physician Assisted & Passive)

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Started: 12/10/2015 Category: Health
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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DukeLarson

Pro

Euthanasia, both physician assisted and passive, should be legal in all states because people should be able to control their own lives. It is stated in our constitutional rights that every individual has the right to the pursuit of happiness. If an individual can avoid misery by ending their lives prematurely, then physician assisted suicide supports one of America"s core values. People have the right to their own lives and how they treat their bodies. I certainly wouldn"t want one of my family members to suffer emotionally, physically, or both when they would prefer to end their own life, would you? This allows them to die when they say the time is right, instead of the doctor deciding when to pull the plug. Dying with dignity should be available in all 50 states, not just a select four. Also, suicide attempts for elders who have a terminal illness have increased by over 90 percent in the last five years. With the legalization of physician assisted suicide, we would get rid of these dangerous suicide attempts and provide a more controlled method. America will also benefit economically from allowing physician assisted suicide. Life support drugs for one patient can cost upwards of thousands depending on how long they"re being used, but a life ending drug is between 35-45 dollars. Why spend thousands on patients who would rather have their life ended. This allows the hospitals to save money and people seeking assisted suicide their ideal ending. End of potential suffering, cost effectiveness, and dying with dignity all show why assisted suicide should be legal everywhere.
Nonsense

Con

When discussing euthanasia, many supporters, such as Pro in this debate, raise many points about how bad the person's life is relative to those who are healthy but what they fail to ever do is explain why lack of health justifies killing. The reason we put down sick animals is simply because they are legally perceived to be totally incapable of making conscious decisions but furthermore that their only source of joy and fulfilment in life is either physical or so closely linked to the physical that an ailment can truly destroy their emotional wellbeing as well as their physical, completely.

In the case of the severely retarded or with children I could perhaps see an argument made for this but if we are discussing people who are legally seen as capable of some degree of conscious consent, there is no way that euthanasia should be permitted and I shall explain why.

There are very few things that can make someone considered incapable of giving informed consent and aside from age/maturity and blatant mental illness or genetic defect (down's syndrome or severe retardation) comes the matter of disorders http://jme.bmj.com...

Four conditions for informed consent are:

1. A mental disorder should not prevent a patient from understanding what s/he consents to;
2. A mental disorder should not prevent a patient from choosing decisively for/against the intervention;
3. A mental disorder should not prevent a patient from communicating his/her consent (presuming that at least reasonable steps have been taken to understand the patient's communication if present at all), and
4. A mental disorder should not prevent a patient from accepting the need for a medical intervention.

A person at the point of genuinely begging people to kill them is so severely depressed and suicidal that it could be argued they are both incapable of judging their need for medical intervention as well as accepting it even if they're able to see they do need it.

This is nothing to do with religion or me saying 'they need to live because God made them to die when he naturally made them to do so', if anything religious people are one of the worst in this position because they end up thinking God doesn't love them and has cursed them as punishment for either a past life or something they did in this one and they beg to die just to end the agony and to accept their eternal punishment at his hands.

The notion that it is somehow okay to murder when the victim is okay is something that is not true for murder (it literally isn't even a factor taken into consideration). The only time that people seem to be having a gray area is when the person is terminally ill. There is no gray area. The role of medical practitioners is to keep any patient/client alive as long as possible no matter what, that is not just the Oath they make [http://www.medicinenet.com...] but it is the entire purpose of their job and/or career. If someone you are treating for a physical illness wants to genuinely be killed, then you need to seek a practitioner of medicine with a psychiatric and/or therapeutic specialty. Your duty as a doctor of any specialty within medicine is not jut to yourself keep the person alive but do anything you can, be that working with others within medicine or even others outside of that field of medicine to help your patient/client live. Cutting off a leg to save the rest of the body may have to be done and an example of semi non-consensual decisions being made for someone is seen in House (when he was the patient and it was his leg at stake) https://tinyurl.com... but to actually allow someone to kill someone is completely against the entire ethos of the field of medicine altogether and it would taint the entire practise once this line was crossed. If we can kill a person so physically ill that there's no current cure then why not kill someone with chronic mental illness? All kinds of lines will begin to be crossed, things we wouldn't even imagining being asked will become questionable, like should we kill someone who is terminally ill who does not consent to it in order to save the life of someone who isn't terminally ill and needs the organ?

The issue of the unquestionable line that should be crossed is why Pro's case simply falls flat. Pro explains how elderly terminally ill suicide rates are increasing (not sure where he got that statistic from) but even if that were true, it highlights how pathetic the mental healthcare funding is and is perhaps an area the entire healthcare service should seek to become more proficient with.

The psychopathic argument of 'they are a drain on the economy' is simply so abhorrent that I am not even going to address it. Economic ease on taxation has never and will never be sufficient reason to break the fundamentals morals on a which a society's harmony is built. That's like saying, we would benefit more from not funding prisons at all, why not just let everyone free? After all, they'd kill off the homeless and vulnerable who need welfare in no time? What utter lunacy. Your lust for a better GDP is just as irrational as the lust for a moral society, neither should supercede the other but it's clear that society is better off when the weaker are protected which is the reason for literally every single law that was ever made.
Debate Round No. 1
DukeLarson

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Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Layne110 1 year ago
Layne110
Legalizing Euthanasia (physician assisted and passive) is wrong. The law could be taken advantage of, the law would target mentally unstable patients and hospitals everywhere offer palliative care for terminally ill patients.
Posted by Nonsense 1 year ago
Nonsense
Thank you. <3
Posted by Sam7411 1 year ago
Sam7411
@Nonsense, good argument
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