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Less Gun Control

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Started: 2/2/2016 Category: Politics
Updated: 9 months ago Status: Post Voting Period
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tombob930

Pro

I am here to debate why we need less gun control, and why it does not work. If you accept then you have to debate why we need more gun control and why it works. First off, gun control does not stop the criminals from getting a guns. It's the same reason why drugs are outlawed yet it"s so easy to get drugs. We have had the war on drugs, we made them illegal yet America is having a huge drug problem. You can even get drugs in prison. The thing about increasing gun control is it makes it harder for the law-binding American citizens to get a guns to protect themselves. Also when your people are armed, there is less crime. "Denmark has roughly half the gun ownership rate of Norway, but a 50% higher murder rate, while Russia has only one-ninth Norway"s gun ownership rate but a murder rate 2500% higher."(1) The facts are that the nation with a higher gun ownership has less murder rates then the countries that have less gun ownership. (1) It goes to show you that when you have increase gun ownership crime is lower. If increase gun control it will increase crime, if you look at the city with the most gun control. Which is Chicago , they have the most gun control and one of the lowest gun ownership than any other city, yet Chicago is rated the "deadliest global city"(2) Overall the places with the least gun control has the least amount of crimes. "The 9 European nations with the lowest gun ownership rate have a combined murder rate 3x that of the 9 European nations with the highest gun ownership rate"(3)

(1)http://www.law.harvard.edu...

(2) http://www.nbcchicago.com...

(3) Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy (pp. 649-694). Volume 30, Number 2: http://www.law.harvard.edu...

http://theacru.org...

Round 1: Opening Statements
Round 2: Rebuttal
Round 3: Rebuttal
Round 4: Closing statements
KawaiiNekoDono

Con

So basically, less gun control means less deaths? I'd say.. No.
Atlanta has the same gun murder rate as South Africa, Detroit as El Salvador, Phoenix equal to Mexico"s gun homicide rate..
If you compared gun ownership levels with homicide rates, what would you expect to see? Fewer people willing to start a fight when everyone is armed, I guess? Well.. according to decades of data analysed by the Harvard School of Public Health, guns and homicides go together like Nicholas Cage and terrible movies. Put simply, if your fellow citizens have easy access to guns, they"re more likely to kill you than if they don"t have access. Not only was this true for the 26 developed countries analysed, but it was true on a state-to-state level as well! America has the highest gun homicide rate, the highest number of guns per capita and the highest rate of deaths due to assault. America has more homicides by gun than all of the other high-income O.E.C.D. countries combined.

"A society that is relying on guys with guns to stop violence is a sign of a society where institutions have broken down," said Rebecca Peters. I completely agree.
Debate Round No. 1
tombob930

Pro

First off I would like to see the sources you are using, because I don"t know if any of what you are saying is true unless you cite your sources. The fact is countries with the strictest gun-control laws also had the highest homicide rates (1). Again I would like to see where you are getting this information. America"s intentional homicide rate per 100,000 residents is 4.8(2). Which is lower than the average of the world. So what you are saying is not true, and if you compare it to England who has strict gun-control to where handguns are illegal, it is the "Most violent country in the EU" (3). England has 2,034 violent crimes per 100,000 people in the UK (3) vs the U.S 466 violent crimes per 100,000 people (3). "In the decade following the Labor party's election and banning of handguns in 1997, the number of recorded violent attacks soared by 77% to 1.2 million in '07- or more than 2 attacks every minute!" (3). As well developed countries that have more gun ownership "as measured by the Small Arms Survey" have fewer homicides. (4) A recent study published in the Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy concluded that there is a negative correlation between gun ownership and violent crime in countries internationally (more guns = less crime). (5) The FBI did an analysis of the crime statistics found that states that adopted concealed carry laws reduced murder by 8.5%, rape by 5%, aggravated assaults by 7% and robberies by 3%. (6) Guns do lower crime, with just one exception, every public mass shooting in the USA since 1950 has taken place where citizens are banned from carrying guns. Despite strict gun regulations, Europe has had 3 of the worst 6 school shootings. (7) "The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
- Thomas Jefferson, Commonplace Book (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria), 1774-1776

1.Violence, Guns and Drugs: A Cross-Country Analysis, Jeffery A. Miron, Department of Economics, Boston University, University of Chicago Press Journal of Law & Economics, October 2001
2."Homicide Statistics 2012". UNODC.
3.http://www.telegraph.co.uk...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk...
4.http://crimeresearch.org...
5.Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy (pp. 649-694). Volume 30, Number 2: http://www.law.harvard.edu...
http://theacru.org...
6." Wall Street Journal: http://online.wsj.com...
7." USA Today: http://www.usatoday.com...
KawaiiNekoDono

Con

KawaiiNekoDono forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
tombob930

Pro

Since he forfeited the 2 round just skip to closing statement since there is nothing to rebuttal
KawaiiNekoDono

Con

KawaiiNekoDono forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
tombob930

Pro

tombob930 forfeited this round.
KawaiiNekoDono

Con

KawaiiNekoDono forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
1 comment has been posted on this debate.
Posted by Shaw357 10 months ago
Shaw357
Dude, you can't just compare Norway and Russia's crime statistics, the population difference is WAAAAAAAY off. Of course everything in Russia is going to be higher than Norway!
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