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Liberal Hypocricy: Gun Control and Censorship conflicts...Parents Responsibility issue?

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Started: 12/25/2007 Category: Politics
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
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hjfrutwiufy

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How liberals think, I can not understand the rationality of it, and here is one reason why: Liberals strict gun laws, embarking my freedom to own a firearm. "It's to dangerous, someone might shoot themselves, so the government should protect them by banning guns" they'll announce.

Here's the hypocrisy: "Censorship reflects society's lack of confidence in itself. It is a hallmark of an authoritarian regime." WAIT! WAIT! Why can the government control whether I have a gun to protect my family, and they won't "protect" my family from nudity and cursing?

When 33% of crime falls in Texas it's first year they legalize concealed weapons, and 27% of crime reduces in Florida it's first year...Crime's not falling cause of the wonder orange orchards...

Point: I'm NOT a supporter of banning guns OR censorship, but liberals show the hypocrisy by saying the government can parent better than you by letting your family watch crap when you're outside gardening or upstairs showering; etc...BUT, you can't have the responsibility of owning a gun...because I guess to them it "reflects society's lack of confidence in itself."
Electric

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Where are your stats for crime going down with concealed gun laws? I cannot trust you as a reliable resource. Guns are dangerous and need to be regulated at some level. Gun licenses or gun registration would be a good idea. We already have this for cars, and no one seems to have an issue with that, so why not guns? Is the poorly-worded second amendment what holds people to their guns so dearly. I don't have a problem with the government regulating guns as long as people are allowed to own them still. I think a test should be required to use a gun, just like a driving test. The NRA could help with the test if they wanted.
Debate Round No. 1
hjfrutwiufy

Con

I think you're missing the point of the debate, sir/ma'am. This is not a debate on guns being legal or not. It has to do with how liberals want the government to interfere with our lives on this issue, but when it comes to censorship to protect our children, they're no-where to be found. I agree that guns need to be registered, the 24 hour(some states have 72 hour) cool down period. My sources for those statistics are: www.justicepolicy.org, Michael Medved, Bill O'Reilly, NRA magazine, and Patrick Buchanan.

The debate isn't about whether you oppose guns or censorship. Why is it ok for the government to "protect" us by taking guns away, but liberalism opposes "protecting" our children from nudity and cursing?

I chose "con", cause I oppose 'Liberal Hypocrisy'.
Electric

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The same argument could be put against conservatives as well. Why is it okay for conservatives to stand against gun control but believe the government should regulate what children watch on television? A libertarian would support neither form of censorship, and for a populist to be in support of both. Liberals and conservatives are both being hypocritical in this situation. This hypocricy is not liberalism's alone.
Debate Round No. 2
hjfrutwiufy

Con

Most conservatives support minimum gun laws and minimum censorship...Liberals support banning guns completely and absolutely NO censorship. Showing nudity and using the "f bomb" on TV is perfectly ok with them. There's nothing moderate about the mainstream liberal view here.

You could use the same argument about Abortion and the Death Penalty, liberals are total hypocrits. Let something innocent be killed, but let a person that's killed live? Shouldn't it only make sense and be the other way?
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Why do you say liberals support no censorship on TV? I've never seen anyone say that before in my life. Maybe they want less censorship for TV and believe parents should be able to let their children watch something if those parents feel that the child is ready even if under current standards they are "too young."

You seem to find a lot of hypocricy in liberals, but conservatives are bad as well. Abortions are not murder in the same way capital punishment is. They are not fully human. You could argue that conservatives are hypocrites for killing potentially innocent non-criminals but saving fetuses.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Darth_Grievous_42 9 years ago
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hifrutwiufy, you seem to misunderstand. Your title reads: "Liberal Hypocricy: Gun Control and Censorship conflicts...Parents Responsibility issue?" and yet your con. This means you are against the concept. You may not agree with Liberal Hypocricy, but by being con you are supporting it. Your not saying you disagree with it, your saying there is no such thing as liberal hypocricy. Its just how debating works. Pro means "there is", con means "there isn't". Just a heads up for the future. Should you bring this topic up again, as I said before, and be in the right spot, I would very much like to explore this topic.
Posted by hjfrutwiufy 9 years ago
hjfrutwiufy
Wow, the crime didn't decrease in those states? Now it's on you to provied statistics that show they didn't...cause every source I have in front of me, say...you're wrong.
Posted by liberal.nick 9 years ago
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To the man who is whining about liberals being hypocrites, I think you should review your argument. Firstly, guns can kill people, therefore the government needs to restrict them. Hearing people curse and seeing nudity does NOT kill people, so it does not concern the government. Secondly your statistics are completely wrong. Crime dramatically DECREASES in places where guns are outlawed. And thirdly to return to my original point, and repeat myself, STUFF YOU SEE ON TV OR HEAR ON THE RADIO WONT KILL YOU!!! Guns on the other hand will, so the liberals are not being hypocrites, because unlike you, their argument is filled with logic.
Posted by Chuckles 9 years ago
Chuckles
both liberalism and conservatism are ridden with hypocrisy in America. But at least you are pointing out this conflict.
Posted by Darth_Grievous_42 9 years ago
Darth_Grievous_42
I think you've chosen the wrong side. It seems you are for "Liberal Hypocrisy", which means you should be pro. Con would be against the concept of "Liberal Hypocrisy". Once you've changed this, I'll gladly contend.
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