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Harboggles
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Liberals should become more optimistic about the opportunities for success in the U.S.

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Started: 3/20/2008 Category: Politics
Updated: 8 years ago Status: Voting Period
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HandsOff

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I used to be annoyed by liberals and their deeply pessimistic attitudes with regard to one's chances for success in this country. It seems to me that, for the most part, they have a contempt for our capitalistic society and believe it stifles opportunity rather than offers the most access to it. I do not wish to argue whether liberals are correct in their critiques of capitalism. It's just that I've become acquainted with some very bright liberals on this site, and I'm starting to worry that their own prospects for success are being compromised by their despairing outlooks. If it is true that we get what we expect in life, I'm not so sure the liberals are on a path to economic advancement.
Harboggles

Con

The Liberals are far from a path to economic prosperity.

But compared to the borrow and spend mentality of the Republicans in the last 40 years they are doing so much better.

There's not much I can say about this whole topic, I myself am a fiscal conservative and the 1 major thing that would pull our economy out of our rut is to abolish the federal reserve and return a to gold standard.

But don't ask me, let's ask the man who PASSED the federal reserve act.

"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is now controlled by its system of credit.We are no longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men."

- Woodrow Wilson 1919

Liberals have good intentions at mind. Free health care. Free education. All good ideas. But their idea of government involvement in EVERYTHING is so inherently flawed in that it's against the spirit of the constitution which wanted as little involvement as possible....
Debate Round No. 1
HandsOff

Pro

Not sure where to go from here. Are you for or against my debate resolution? I think I need to post this one again. Based on your profile we don't disagree on much.
Harboggles

Con

"The Liberals are far from a path to economic prosperity."

I admit your entire premise didn't really make much sense...
Debate Round No. 2
HandsOff

Pro

Well,
It was nice hashing this out with you. I wish you well in your future debates. THIS DEBATE WILL BE TAKEN UP AGAIN BY BRITTWALLER AND MYSELF at http://www.debate.org...
Harboggles

Con

Could you at least try to make your premise a little more clear? I had trouble understanding it...

(to make this 100 characters so I can post it..)

Could you at least try to make your premise a little more clear? I had trouble understanding it...
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by sadolite 8 years ago
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I know what HandsOff is saying. Every time I here a liberal give a motivational speech I have the urge to kill myself. Only they, the liberals, can clear the pathway to success. There is no possible way to do it on your own.
Posted by brittwaller 8 years ago
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If you like, HandsOff, repost this and I will take you up, or send me the challenge directly. That would probably be better. If not, no worries:)

Britt
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