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MoonDragon613
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Libertarians have it right on drugs- legalise them!

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Started: 4/19/2008 Category: Politics
Updated: 8 years ago Status: Voting Period
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notpolicydebategod

Pro

In 1997, Charles Manson, America's most notorious convicted mass murderer, was caught dealing drugs in California's Corcoran State Prison. Locked in a steel cage, watched by armed guards, and subject to random drug testing and strip searches, Manson was still able to build a flourishing narcotics business. It makes you wonder: If the government can't even keep drugs out of prison, how can it keep them out of an entire nation? The simple answer is: It can't. Not for the lack of effort. In 2001, the federal government spent $18 billion fighting the War on Drugs. More than 19,000 state and local police officers work full-time on drug cases. Despite all of this money and firepower, 82% of high school seniors say that getting marijuana is "fairly" or "very" easy--a number that hasn't budged in 20 years. But the War on Drugs isn't just a failure. It's also a threat to your safety. In 2000, for example, 734,497 Americans were arrested on marijuana-related charges. That same year, only 625,243 violent criminals were arrested for murder, rape, robbery, or aggravated assault (according to FBI figures). In other words, the War on Drugs is making your family less safe because police spend their time arresting marijuana smokers instead of apprehending brutal thugs.

We spent trillions on the War on Drugs this year alone. That money could be going to education or something else productive.

We could tax drugs. That would be a tremendous amount of money. trials are very lengthy. If there were less caess, then trials would be quicker.

We guarantee seedy trials but
MoonDragon613

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If putting crack and cocaine on the streets, tomorrow, America would be swimming with tax money and our police officers would be now all of a sudden be free to bring an end to murder, rape, and theft. In fact, if it wasn't for our war against crack and cocaine, instead of 625 thousand violent criminal arrests, we might have 900 thousand or 1.5 million violent criminal arrests.

And I agree ... at least in part. Without our war on crime we might indeed have 1.5 million violent criminal arrests....

Let's take a look at this world with legalized drug use:

With drugs legal, it'll be immediately picked up by powerful pharmaceuticals such as Pfizer. And with vigorous advertisements it should be no difficulty to market "recreational" drugs as a fun vacation that's out of this world. With drugs much more addictive than nicotine, carefully manufactured perhaps to be addictive, they become overwhelmingly popular and before long millions and millions of Americans nationwide become addicted. But that is only the beginning.

As I mentioned before, these drugs will undergo the most careful scrutiny of the billion dollar pharmaceutical industry. Most likely the dangerous side effects will be minimized while the addictive nature magnified. This of course at the expense of research for cures for cancer and AIDS. Soon, all young and middle aged Americans will become addicted to these new entertainment on pills. They will become slaves to the pharmaceutical industry. When the Religious Right begins to muster resistance to the drug consumption fad, Pfizer will unleash their new drugged goons to slip little bits of modified heroin and morphine into the drinking water of priests and pastors nationwide. And before you know it, our spiritual leaders will also become mindless servants of the Drug Companies.

With the Spiritual Faith gone from America, eternal darkness will descend upon our nation. Our people would fall prey to the horrible dangers of homosexuality and protected sex. Crimes will skyrocket as morality loses value in our spirtless society.

As Crimes and drug use continue to rise, the tax money from drug sales will evaporate as gross domestic product declines. Drug users will become too busy stoned or getting stoned to work the 60 hour workweeks America is so accustomed to. We will fall from the world's mightiest nation to nothinig but a shriveled husk of what we once were.

The Indians will then rise up, taking advantage of our weakness. They will spill forth from their reservations and equipped with their flint hatchets they will hack their way down the desolate wall street, reclaiming the Island of Manhattan. And America as we know it will then be no more. The white people will disappear and once again America will be inhabited by the Reds.
Debate Round No. 1
notpolicydebategod

Pro

- Most likely the dangerous side effects will be minimized while the addictive nature magnified.
+ This is untrue. In Amsterdam, they legalised soft drugs and are on a campaign to leagalise hard ones as well. The lifetime drug usage rate there is 17% compared to 37% here. Drug legalisation drops usage.

- This of course at the expense of research for cures for cancer and AIDS.
+ Cures for AIDS and cancer would still continue because there is tons of money and glory in those too. Look at other nations that have legalised drugs.

- Soon, all young and middle aged Americans will become addicted to these new entertainment on pills.
+ Can I see some substantial...anything?

- When the Religious Right begins to muster resistance to the drug consumption fad, Pfizer will unleash their new drugged goons to slip little bits of modified heroin and morphine into the drinking water of priests and pastors nationwide. And before you know it, our spiritual leaders will also become mindless servants of the Drug Companies. With the Spiritual Faith gone from America, eternal darkness will descend upon our nation. Our people would fall prey to the horrible dangers of homosexuality and protected sex. Crimes will skyrocket as morality loses value in our spirtless society.
+ Religion is huge in Amsterdam. The CIA World Factboko says that 31% of them are Catholic and other religions. No drug company can/will drug every priest of every religion. Imagine if the public found out that a company drugs priests... No company will run the risk.

- As Crimes and drug use continue to rise
+ Crime lowers as a result of legailsation. There will be more free cops, the prisons will be undercrowded andwill stop the parole system, the homicide rate will lower significantly, the crime rate will generally lower. In Amsterdam, the incarceration rate is 7 times lower, the homicide rate is 5 times lower, and crime spending is 130 million euros less annually.

- The Indians will then rise up, taking advantage of our weakness.
+ No.

Thsnk you for reading this ridiculous debate...VOTE PRO!
MoonDragon613

Con

Originally my worthy opponent argued for his point of view with the powerful weapons of half-baked misapplied statistics and fuzzy logic. Which was amusing. (Showing that there were more drug arrests than murder arrests to prove that the police care more about marijuana than rape victims I think was hilarious)

Even MORE amusing is my opponent's retreat to the use of WISHFUL thinking. Ladies and Gentlemen, let us once again dive into the long term view of the logical consequences of recreational drug legalization shall we?

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The year is 2008. The Supreme Court rules that an individual's right to use recreational drugs is implied in the Constitution and cannot be abridged by any act of Congress or the President. In light of this sweeping ruling regarding recreational drug usage, all laws inhibiting drug usage or sales is suddenly repealed.

The Natural consequence is for the pharmaceutical industry to step in and assume control over the production and distribution of drugs. (This was my first UNCHALLENGED point. Which is too late to challenge by the way) After all, it's a product with enormous potential for profit, and a relatively low cost of production.

Soon there will be Pfizer Cocaine for stock brokers, Johnson & Johnson marijuana to help your anorexic child, and Bayer's Morphine, after all, who needs Advil when you have Morphine? And with drug use legalized, these companies would then undergo a rigorous advertising campaign to promote these drugs. (Also a very important and very UNCHALLENGED point)

Now let's take a long view. It's now 2020. 12 years since the legalization of drugs and the Pharmaceutical turf war. My opponent wishfully thinks that during this time millions will still be spent on AIDS and Cancer research because "there is tons of money and glory in those too". But let's face reality here. Drug companies spend money to make money. AIDS and Cancer research has POTENTIAL for profit ... but the legalization of drugs gives Pharmaceutical companies a much easier way to make huge profits.

Because they're addictive, it's more important to advertise than to research. Any reasonable pharmaceutical company will shift their resources towards marketing their brand name recreational drugs instead of wasting time on the UNCERTAIN venture of Cancer research which thanks to patent research is a very very uncertain venture.

So after 12 years of rigorous advertising, and advances in consumer research to make advertising more effective, we'll have a generation of young and middle aged Americans addicted to recreational drugs. My opponent wants me to produce a crystal ball to "prove" this inevitability ... well, as I said, wishful thinking. Just look at how many Americans smoke cigarettes. And Cigarettes Don't even DO anything! Weed produces an incredible hallucinogenic experience, cocaine produces a sense of EUPHORIA. Are you kidding me? Even without advertisements, these substances are incredibly tempting. With Advertisements? If advertisements could get you to inhale a noxious smoke which makes you cough and vomit .... how hard can it be to hook millions of Americans on Euphoria??

And with that established, everything else follows. Amsterdam is irrelevant. The fact that companies have not taken advantage of the Amsterdam market is because Amsterdam has a pathetic population of 1.5 million. America has a population of 350 million. So when the religious fanatics rally their religious soldiers in a crusade against Recreational Drug use, Pfizer will have a multi million (or billion) dollar vested interest in protecting it's market. Oh they will "run the risk" then.

Thus eventually we will be overrun by Indians. The End.
Debate Round No. 2
notpolicydebategod

Pro

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MoonDragon613

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Posted by notpolicydebategod 8 years ago
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if someone wanted to debate. this is sufficient for now.
Posted by FalseReality 8 years ago
FalseReality
I'm guessing you planned to continue this premise?
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