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ExplodingNoob
Con (against)
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Living as an Anarchist in America makes you unamerican.

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 1/7/2010 Category: Society
Updated: 7 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
Viewed: 1,300 times Debate No: 10755
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InsertNameHere

Pro

Yes it does.

anarchism  /ˈ´┐Żnərˌkɪzəm/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [an-er-kiz-uhm]
–noun 1. a doctrine urging the abolition of government or governmental restraint as the indispensable condition for full social and political liberty.
2. the methods or practices of anarchists, as the use of violence to undermine government.

First off, the use of violence to fullfill one's goal would be destructive towards one's right to safety. Abolishing the government by force could also be classified as treason. Treason is a crime which carries a maximum penalty. Also, without authority there would be no order in society.

This will be fun... :P
ExplodingNoob

Con

Thanks for this debate I think it will be a fun one.

I will now state my points.

Regardless of the mental aspect of anarchy in the united states the citizen is still a citizen of the united states nonetheless.
By being a citizen they are by definition an "American"

=-Definition-=

American - http://dictionary.reference.com...
Pronunciation - [uh-mer-i-kuhn]

1.a citizen of the United States of America.
2.a native or inhabitant of the Western Hemisphere.
3.an Indian of North or South America.

Un-American - http://dictionary.reference.com...
Pronunciation - [uhn-uh-mer-i-kuhn]
1. not American; not characteristic of or proper to the U.S.; foreign.

I will now rebuke my opponents statement

Anarchy is not only the act of physical violence. It can also be a state of mind. Even if violent acts were used it would not make the individual any less physically American.

I will continue my argument next round.
Debate Round No. 1
InsertNameHere

Pro

Despite my opponent's claim, Anarchism does often include the use of violence. A major part of Anarchist ideology includes Propaganda of the deed, the use of physical violence against political opponents as a way to inspire revolution. http://en.wikipedia.org... This violates a person's right to safety as outlined in the Declaration of Human Rights by the UN.
Article 3.
Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person. (http://www.un.org...)
I have provided definitions of each:
http://dictionary.reference.com...
http://dictionary.reference.com...
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Breaking any one of these in any way is automatically going against human rights which is also going against much of what America continues to fight for, thus anarchism is indeed unamerican.
I'll continue next round. I'm looking forward to my opponent's rebukes.
ExplodingNoob

Con

I thank my opponent for their argument.
I look forward to making my argument.
Formalities aside we shall now begin.

I would first like to bring back the definition of "Un-American"
Pronunciation - [uhn-uh-mer-i-kuhn]
1. not American; not characteristic of or proper to the U.S.; foreign.

In this definition we see that to be un american you need to be foreign or not proper to the US.

Regardless of mental status even someone with anarchist views who inhabits the United States is still american.

I will argue further next round as I am typing this with little time before I have to leave.

I look forward to your next argument
Debate Round No. 2
InsertNameHere

Pro

I would like to point out that my opponent failed to address my previous argument. I'll continue by arguing that an Anarchist is indeed improper to the US. A major aspect of Anarchist ideology includes collectivism which is a common characteristic it shares with communism, another ideology that is thought to be unamerican. http://en.wikipedia.org...
http://dictionary.reference.com...
ExplodingNoob

Con

I failed to address the previous argument because your presentation is irrelevant.

You are basing your debate on the psychological definition of Un-Americanism which is not the only topic of this debate.

My argument was against the physical definition of Un-Americanism.

As long as you are living in America regardless of your mental position you are technically still an american.

I would like to continue this argument next round.
Debate Round No. 3
InsertNameHere

Pro

My opponent states that it's only possible to be an American while living in the United States. This is incorrect as it is possible to be an American while living in another country. As long as you're born in America or an official immigrant a person is still considered an American. However, criminals or other people acting against American laws are often not given the same rights as any other american citizen(or not allowed to enter the United States if from another country). As followers of a violent ideology, Anarchists may be more inclined to commit crimes against the state. This in itself is an unamerican act and all criminals aren't full citizens.

I look forward to my opponent's rebuttel.
ExplodingNoob

Con

ExplodingNoob forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by Kleptin 7 years ago
Kleptin
This is a very, very rare situation. Although CON forfeited a round, I don't believe it hurt his case one bit.

Conduct: Pro. Con forfeited a round and loses the conduct vote.

S&G: Tied.

Argument: Con. Con effectively defined what it meant to be an American: To be an American Citizen. He also demonstrated how one could be an anarchist and still American. Pro tried hard to fudge the definition to account for ideology and culture, however, Pro never defined "American" in the opening round, this was a fatal mistake. If he did, then the debate would have been his.

Sources: Tie. Only dictionary definitions were used.
Posted by InsertNameHere 7 years ago
InsertNameHere
Because I forgot to put it in the debate(oops. Multi-tasking has failed me), I thought I would put my first source here: http://dictionary.reference.com...
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