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ChallengeEx
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dsjpk5
Con (against)
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Longer Lunches

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dsjpk5
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 3/15/2016 Category: Education
Updated: 8 months ago Status: Post Voting Period
Viewed: 393 times Debate No: 88260
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ChallengeEx

Pro

The idea that schools could persuade kids to eat better without making a single change to their cafeteria menus may sound like pie in the sky, but its proponents have some data to back them up. After analyzing the eating habits of 1,001 elementary and middle school students in Boston-area schools, researchers found that the more time students had to finish their lunches, the more fruits and vegetables they ate and the more milk they drank.

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One of the six schools that participated in the Modifying Eating and Lifestyles at School " or MEALS " study gave students as little as 20 minutes for lunch. Some of that time had to be spent getting to the cafeteria and standing in line when they got there. By the time they finally sat down with their trays, some kids had only 10 minutes to eat.

Of the other five schools in the study, two had a 25-minute lunch period and three set aside 30 minutes for the midday meal. The actual time to eat ranged from 10 minutes to 33 minutes (some teachers let their students go to lunch a little early), with an average eating time of 23.9 minutes.
dsjpk5

Con

I would like to thank my opponent for creating this debate.

PLAGIARISM

My opponent has plagiarized his entire first round argument from the following website:

http://www.latimes.com...

I ask the voters to consider this when voting on this debate.

Argument:

We don't need longer lunches in our schools. If we make lunch periods longer, students time in class will be shortened. This will result in children's education suffering. [1]

Source:

1. http://www.livestrong.com...
Debate Round No. 1
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Posted by tejretics 8 months ago
tejretics
Happy to clarify the RFD.
Posted by whiteflame 8 months ago
whiteflame
Sorry about the double post. Internet issues.
Posted by whiteflame 8 months ago
whiteflame
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>Reported vote: BenJWasson// Mod action: Removed<

6 points to Pro (S&G, Arguments, Sources). Reasons for voting decision: Pro won easily. Con's argument was a couple sentences, and they didn't even refute what Pro said besides calling it plagiarism (which, by the way guys, doesn't matter the slightest bit on this site).

[*Reason for removal*] (1) Arguments are insufficiently explained. Simply because one side wrote less and didn't refute the other doesn't automatically make that side's point lesser " the voter has to analyze the substance of each sides' arguments. (2) Plagiarism DOES matter on this site, though it's up to voters to decide whether or not it's sufficient reason to award points.
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Posted by whiteflame 8 months ago
whiteflame
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>Reported vote: BenJWasson// Mod action: Removed<

6 points to Pro (S&G, Arguments, Sources). Reasons for voting decision: Pro won easily. Con's argument was a couple sentences, and they didn't even refute what Pro said besides calling it plagiarism (which, by the way guys, doesn't matter the slightest bit on this site).

[*Reason for removal*] (1) Arguments are insufficiently explained. Simply because one side wrote less and didn't refute the other doesn't automatically make that side's point lesser " the voter has to analyze the substance of each sides' arguments. (2) Plagiarism DOES matter on this site, though it's up to voters to decide whether or not it's sufficient reason to award points.
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Posted by dsjpk5 8 months ago
dsjpk5
As always, Tejeretics RFD is above reproach. Thank you for your comments.
Posted by tejretics 8 months ago
tejretics
Conduct -- Con wins conduct because Pro plagiarized. "Plagiarism" on DDO is essentially using someone else's material without attribution. In other words, fulfilling *any* of three conditions equals plagiarism: (a) using someone else's material without citation, (b) using it without quotes, or (c) having your whole argument based on that. Pro fits *all* three criteria. Plagiarism is generally considered poor conduct, and merits the loss of the conduct point, as well as the discredition of arguments.

Arguments -- Due to Pro's plagiarism, I am not considering any of Pro's arguments. As such, Con is the only one to have an argument, that longer lunches will force shortening of education time and therefore damage education. Pro sources it from a "pro-cons" website. Of course, this argument is insufficiently explained in that it doesn't properly illustrate *how* it entails less education, when a simple and (at least so it seems to me) obvious counterplan of merely extending the school time. But (a) I discredit Con's arguments so this weighs as better anyway, and (b) this was a one-round debate, thus Con couldn't respond. If I weighed Pro's arguments the decision would be tougher to make, because I have to weigh health against education. Neither debater gives me a weighing mechanism either. Neither impact is very significant, so I would have voted a tie under such a circumstance. But due to the plagiarism, I weigh Con's argument better than Pro's. Thus, Con wins arguments.

Sources -- Pro's plagiarism comes without citing a source. The first condition of plagiarism plays into part here. Since Pro doesn't properly cite a source, everything he says is a *bare assertion* and simultaneously involves an *abuse* of sources. I have to vote Pro down here. On the other hand, Con has a (somewhat reliable) source to justify their claims. He has a well-justified claim without actually plagiarizing. Thus, Con wins sources.
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Vote Placed by RainbowDash52 8 months ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Plagiarism
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Reasons for voting decision: Plagiarism.
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Reasons for voting decision: Plagiarism, all 7 points to Con.
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Reasons for voting decision: Plagiarism