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Akhenaten
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Luis Pasteur was a fraud

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Started: 5/8/2017 Category: Science
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Debating Period
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Akhenaten

Pro

Looks like that Erold has done a bolter. Anybody what to take over?

1. Germ Theory has never been proven to be a valid theory. It was only accepted because it was a way of making money out of gullible people. Money talks, so it was accepted and a huge pharmaceutical industry has since flourished to cater for this pathetic theory.


2. Luis Pasteur was a fraud and a hustler who married the rector's daughter and became a famous scientist by stealing all the experiments of other scientists. Thus, he was similar to Einstien in that he was dull and stupid in science but was clever in decieving people. Thus, both Pasteur and Einstein were both thieving frauds who stole all their ideas from other people.

3. Antoine Bechamp was the real expert on Germ Theory. But his theory differed from Pasteur in that he stated that "germs are the result of a disease and are not the cause of it"

4. Prior to agriculture, there was no disease. Agricultural products are the cause of 98% of all diseases. These products include sugar, grain and dairy. The other 2% are caused by dangerous chemicals such as chlorine, bromine and flourine. These chemicals are known as halogens which cause a disruption of the human hormone system. The hormone system is an iodine based system which is vulneable to disruption by rogue halogens as listed above.

5. When Germ Theory was formulated nobody knew anything about hormones, gut bacteria and leaky gut syndrome. Thus, Germ Theory is a totally moronic theory which disregards all knowledge of how hormones work; how the gut leaks when agrivated by grain products and how bacteria enter the blood stream internally instead of externally. Thus, the internal leakage of bacteria is a more logical explanation of disease than the exterior invasion model of disease. Therefore, Germ Theory is false because it assumes that the germs come from exterior sources.


gomergcc

Con

As per normal debate etiquette PRO is going against 200 years of established scientific consensus the burden of proof is on PRO. CONS burden of proof is not in proving germ theory; but in showing PRO as not meet their burden of proof.

1. Germ Theory has never been proven to be a valid theory. It was only accepted because it was a way of making money out of gullible people. Money talks, so it was accepted and a huge pharmaceutical industry has since flourished to cater for this pathetic theory.

As with all scientific work all of Louis Pasteur"s scientific papers have been previewed. His work also as the backing of literally 10,000"s of worldwide peer reviewed papers and 1,000"s of experiments that any scientist can recreate.



2. Luis Pasteur was a fraud and a hustler who married the rector's daughter and became a famous scientist by stealing all the experiments of other scientists. Thus, he was similar to Einstien in that he was dull and stupid in science but was clever in decieving people. Thus, both Pasteur and Einstein were both thieving frauds who stole all their ideas from other people.

Louis Pasteur and Einstein were well versed in many theories and both took inspiration from others. In science what matters is the first person to have a peer reviewed paper with the theory that get the credit for the theory. Just in the same way Steve Jobs gets credit for Apple because he was the CEO even though all he did was sell Steve Wozniak"s inventions because in industry the business leader gets all the credit.



3. Antoine Bechamp was the real expert on Germ Theory. But his theory differed from Pasteur in that he stated that "germs are the result of a disease and are not the cause of it"

That is not Antoine Behamps theory. His theory is, "that the "molecular granulations" in biological fluids were actually the elementary units of life, B"champ named them microzymas"that is, "tiny enzymes""and credited them with producing both enzymes and cells while "evolving" amid favorable conditions into multicellular organisms. Denying that bacteria could invade a healthy animal and cause disease, B"champ claimed instead that unfavorable host and environmental conditions destabilize the host's native microzymas, whereupon they decompose host tissue by producing pathogenic bacteria. While cell theory and germ theory gained widespread acceptance, granular theories became obscure. B"champ's version, microzymian theory, has been retained by small groups, especially in alternative medicine"
https://en.wikipedia.org...

As of this moment no one has found his microzymas or shown they decompose cells.


4. Prior to agriculture, there was no disease. Agricultural products are the cause of 98% of all diseases. These products include sugar, grain and dairy. The other 2% are caused by dangerous chemicals such as chlorine, bromine and flourine. These chemicals are known as halogens which cause a disruption of the human hormone system. The hormone system is an iodine based system which is vulneable to disruption by rogue halogens as listed above.


Trichomonas gallinae is a single celled organism that causes disease (AKA a germ) called canker in birds. An early form of Trichomonas gallinae has been found in Tyrannosaurus rex fossils. There is scientific proof of germs causing disease from 65 million years before the invention of agriculture.

https://en.wikipedia.org...
https://microbiologybytes.wordpress.com...


5. When Germ Theory was formulated nobody knew anything about hormones, gut bacteria and leaky gut syndrome. Thus, Germ Theory is a totally moronic theory which disregards all knowledge of how hormones work; how the gut leaks when agrivated by grain products and how bacteria enter the blood stream internally instead of externally. Thus, the internal leakage of bacteria is a more logical explanation of disease than the exterior invasion model of disease. Therefore, Germ Theory is false because it assumes that the germs come from exterior sources.

Germ theory includes germs coming from internal sources.
"Vector transmission may be external or internal. External, or mechanical, transmission occurs when organisms are carried mechanically on the vector (for example, Salmonella organisms that contaminate the legs of flies). Internal transmission occurs when the organisms are carried within the vector. "
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...
Debate Round No. 1
Akhenaten

Pro

As per normal debate etiquette PRO is going against 200 years of established scientific consensus the burden of proof is on PRO. CONS burden of proof is not in proving germ theory; but in showing PRO as not meet their burden of proof.

Immediately, my opponent shows his bullying nature. He wants to dictate the terms of the debate and tell me what I have to do. Now, it is obvious that my opponent is a total control freak and can't stand any situation that might be democratic and fair for both parties.


As with all scientific work all of Louis Pasteur"s scientific papers have been previewed. His work also as the backing of literally 10,000"s of worldwide peer reviewed papers and 1,000"s of experiments that any scientist can recreate.

The peer review system is one of the most corrupt systems ever devised by mankind. It promotes false theories and hides facts behind a wall of deceit and incomprhensible paper work. Its money and profit which generated germ theory and its money and profit that has kept germ theory on top of other theories. There is no money to made in alternate theories. You can't make any money out of clean living and vitamins. Nah! Its far easier to let the hordes eat garbage food and let them get sick so you can then charge them exorbitent fees to make them better again.

Note - Not one experiment has ever proven germ theory right. Thus, my opponent is being as deceptive as the doctors and scientists by stating that there has been experiments when there has been none.

Note - Luis Pasteur's experimental papers were locked away until 1979 so that nobody could see what a fool he really was.


That is not Antoine Behamps theory. His theory is, "that the "molecular granulations" in biological fluids were actually the elementary units of life, B"champ named them microzymas"that is, "tiny enzymes""and credited them with producing both enzymes and cells while "evolving" amid favorable conditions into multicellular organisms. Denying that bacteria could invade a healthy animal and cause disease, B"champ claimed instead that unfavorable host and environmental conditions destabilize the host's native microzymas, whereupon they decompose host tissue by producing pathogenic bacteria. While cell theory and germ theory gained widespread acceptance, granular theories became obscure. B"champ's version, microzymian theory, has been retained by small groups, especially in alternative medicine"

My opponent has just agreed with my statement. This is just a very long winded way of saying that, quote ""germs are the result of a disease and are not the cause of it"

Trichomonas gallinae is a single celled organism that causes disease (AKA a germ) called canker in birds. An early form of Trichomonas gallinae has been found in Tyrannosaurus rex fossils. There is scientific proof of germs causing disease from 65 million years before the invention of agriculture.

Trihomonas gallinae is a parasite, not a germ or a disease. (The scientific community quite often likes to break the rules of engagement in order to win the battle.) Note - Parasites have eyes, legs, brains and a nervous system. Germs don't.

Note - My opponent has totally ignored my last paragraph. He mentions nothing about hormones, leaky gut syndrome and how grain food causes the gut to leak which allows bacteria to enter the blood stream.
My opponent, like most doctors and scientists, doesn't understand how or why people get sick. This is why they spend billions of dollars on bogus research to find cures for non-existent diseases. Note - There is only one human disease. This disease is called vitamin deficiency. It depends totally on which particular vitamin deficiency that causes which particular disease. Note - The human hormone system is an iodine based system. Thus, without a sufficinet supply of iodine, the human body can not function properly. Alas, iodine is very cheap and doctors can't make any money out of it. Thus, iodine has been demonized by the medical fraternity so that people can't bypass the fraudulent medical system by curing themselves.
gomergcc

Con

Immediately, my opponent shows his bullying nature. He wants to dictate the terms of the debate and tell me what I have to do. Now, it is obvious that my opponent is a total control freak and can't stand any situation that might be democratic and fair for both parties.

The etiquette for debating and voting is listed in the forum. PRO has done 49 debates on this site. PRO’s profile states, “I can't wait till my ranking gets to zero.” I trusted the debate.org community to hold PRO to the same standards as everyone else.

http://www.debate.org...
http://www.debate.org...


The peer review system is one of the most corrupt systems ever devised by mankind. It promotes false theories and hides facts behind a wall of deceit and incomprhensible paper work. Its money and profit which generated germ theory and its money and profit that has kept germ theory on top of other theories. There is no money to made in alternate theories. You can't make any money out of clean living and vitamins. Nah! Its far easier to let the hordes eat garbage food and let them get sick so you can then charge them exorbitent fees to make them better again.

You provide nothing to back up your claims.

“Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.”
-The Big Lebowski-


Note - Not one experiment has ever proven germ theory right. Thus, my opponent is being as deceptive as the doctors and scientists by stating that there has been experiments when there has been none.

PRO clearly has never heard of Robert Koch and his experments with anthax.
https://en.wikipedia.org...



Note - Luis Pasteur's experimental papers were locked away until 1979 so that nobody could see what a fool he really was.

Then it should be very easy to go on Google and prove this statement.


My opponent has just agreed with my statement. This is just a very long winded way of saying that, quote ""germs are the result of a disease and are not the cause of it"

No I was quoting Wikipedia’s article at https://en.wikipedia.org... it does not state that at all.



Trihomonas gallinae is a parasite, not a germ or a disease. (The scientific community quite often likes to break the rules of engagement in order to win the battle.) Note - Parasites have eyes, legs, brains and a nervous system. Germs don't.

I listed a source for my claim you didn’t.



Note - My opponent has totally ignored my last paragraph. He mentions nothing about hormones, leaky gut syndrome and how grain food causes the gut to leak which allows bacteria to enter the blood stream.
My opponent, like most doctors and scientists, doesn't understand how or why people get sick. This is why they spend billions of dollars on bogus research to find cures for non-existent diseases. Note - There is only one human disease. This disease is called vitamin deficiency. It depends totally on which particular vitamin deficiency that causes which particular disease. Note - The human hormone system is an iodine based system. Thus, without a sufficinet supply of iodine, the human body can not function properly. Alas, iodine is very cheap and doctors can't make any money out of it. Thus, iodine has been demonized by the medical fraternity so that people can't bypass the fraudulent medical system by curing themselves.


You stated “Therefore, Germ Theory is false because it assumes that the germs come from exterior sources.” I provided a e-book copy of a medical text book stating that they do not assume this. That is not ignoring you it is proving you wrong.
Debate Round No. 2
Akhenaten

Pro

The etiquette for debating and voting is listed in the forum. PRO has done 49 debates on this site. PRO’s profile states, “I can't wait till my ranking gets to zero.” I trusted the debate.org community to hold PRO to the same standards as everyone else.

I debated this issue on the Naked Scientist website for a period of 6 months. Eventually, Chris Smith, who is a professional virologist and owner of the website, shut me down and banned me from the site. This is how the science community deals with the truth. This website is no different either. The main purpose of this website is to shut down debates on issues which might damage the reputation of medical professionals and scientists. If my ranking gets to zero, it is only evidence which shows that this website is corrupt and run by criminals.

Note - The secret agenda of most debating sites is not to open discusions on all issues but to close down discusion of certain sensitive issues which might embarrass the science community. This is because the science community depends on lies and deception to make a living.



You provide nothing to back up your claims.


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...


There is a pile of evidence that the peer review system is corrupt. Any google search will give you dozens of options.

PRO clearly has never heard of Robert Koch and his experments with anthax.
https://en.wikipedia.org......

Koch's postulates have never been proven to be correct. It is based on the false assumption that germs come from the air. The experiments try to prove that infection comes from the air and is not inherent in the human source. There may well be germs in the air but this has nothing to do with why people get sick. People get sick because of leaky gut syndrome which allows gut bacteria to enter the blood stream. This was discovered only recently. Thus, Luis Pasteur and Robert Koch would have had no knowledge of this possibility. Thus, their primitive experiments have all been proven incorrect and false by modern technology. Thus, when leaky gut syndrome was discovered, then, germ theory should have been discarded by the medical system. But, did they do this? Answer - No! Reason - There is no money to be made out of the alternatives to germ theory.

Note - Luis Pasteur's experimental papers were locked away until 1979 so that nobody could see what a fool he really was.

Then it should be very easy to go on Google and prove this statement.

That's right! It is easy to find. I found it in about 5 seconds!

https://en.wikipedia.org...

A French national hero at age 55, in 1878 Pasteur discreetly told his family never to reveal his laboratory notebooks to anyone. His family obeyed and all his documents were held and inherited in secrecy. Finally in 1964 Pasteur's grandson and last surviving male descendant, Pasteur Valley-Radot donated the papers to the French national library (Bibliothèque nationale de France). Yet the papers were restricted for historical studies until the death of Valley-Radot in 1971. The documents were given catalogue number only in 1985.[96]

In 1995, the centennial of the death of Louis Pasteur, a historian of science Gerald L. Geison published an analysis of Pasteur's private notebooks in his The Private Science of Louis Pasteur, and declared that Pasteur had given several misleading accounts and played deceptions in his most important discoveries.[9][97] Max Perutz published a defense of Pasteur in The New York Review of Books.[98] Based on further examinations of Pasteur's documents, French immunologist Patrice Debré concluded in his book Louis Pasteur (1998) that in spite of his genius, Pasteur had some faults. A book review states that Debré "sometimes finds him unfair, combative, arrogant, unattractive in attitude, inflexible and even dogmatic"


You stated “Therefore, Germ Theory is false because it assumes that the germs come from exterior sources.” I provided a e-book copy of a medical text book stating that they do not assume this. That is not ignoring you it is proving you wrong.

My opponent has resorted to shortening his replies to one sentence so as not to look too foolish. But, alas, not answering or ignoring statements is a clear violation of debating etiquitte.

Still waiting for my opponents response to -

1. Leaky gut syndrome causing most disease.

2. Hormone system is iodine based and thus iodine can kill any so called "germ".

3. Avoidence of grain, sugar and dairy can cure or prevent the vast majority of diseases from happening in the first place.

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