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Danielle
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tvellalott
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Lyrical Challenge

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Danielle
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 8/31/2010 Category: Arts
Updated: 6 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Danielle

Pro

== Background ==

Hip-Hop lyricists have touched upon all sorts of things -- poverty, love, violence, etc. This debate will demonstrate a lyricist's ability to be creative regarding a particular subject on command, and emphasize their versatility by deviating from conventional and monotonous topics.

== Debate Function ==

Thank you in advance to whomever accepts this debate.

In Round 1, Con must present a topic narrow enough to be of specific focus or emphasis, but broad enough to allow leeway on the debater's approach to the topic. For example, I might give my opponent the topic "Islam." In their verse, they may take a serious, sarcastic, humorous or concerned approach among others. They might rap about the mosque controversy, wars in the Middle East, Islamophobia or hell even a satirical description of "towel heads." The direction is limitless; however, staying relatively on point to the given topic is paramount to voting standards.

In Round 2, I will present a verse(s) on the topic Con assigned me in R1. I will also give Con a topic. Con will give me a new topic and so on and so forth until each of us have submitted 3 rounds of lyrics. In Round 5, I will explain why I should win -- i.e. better lyrics, better approach to the topic, creativity, complexity, etc. and Con will do the same in their final round explaining why they should win. Any possible conflict about assigned topics should be reasonably resolved in the Comments Section of the debate (hopefully this won't be an issue). For the most part, a debater is expected to be ready for anything, however, if an unfeasible challenge ensues they can bring it up in the debate itself and see how it pans out with voters in the end.
tvellalott

Con

This should be extremely entertaining. I love rap music and I think I'm quite good at rhyming.

So, lets begin.
Your first topic will be: The Obesity Epidemic

Good luck.
You better bring it. :)
Debate Round No. 1
Danielle

Pro

Many thanks to my opponent for accepting this challenge. Unfortunately I overbooked myself and wasn't able to dedicate much time (at all) to this round considering I'm doing like 10 other debates... blegh... so by my own admission this is a less than stellar example of my skillz. Lucky you, tvellalott! :P

== TOPIC 1: OBESITY EPIDEMIC ==

Sweeties with obesity in these cities sleep peacefully
And seize diabetes - a shitty disease so easily
They're pleased to appease, you see and teased about treats
Like they got treaties with Wheaties; they're champions of eats
It's rampant, not fun - like they wanna die young
They run to succumb to the drugs on their tongue
Don't matter where from: a billion suffer worldwide
Not bluffing - 16's the new average girl's size

I tell no lies - And this knowledge's epistemic
The size of those thighs confirm an epidemic
It's blatant, it's flagrant - every day I see the same sh!t
This girl got mad I was saying it; told her to hit the pavement
Get out of her mom's basement even if she becomes a vagrant
Said she can't make the payments but I guess that's why she's heinous
Still she asked me if I'd date it and I said I'd consider it
Then I caved in and ate it; guess that's why I'm a b!tter bitch

I like getting high - not girls with high blood pressure
Still I didn't wanna upset her so I chilled and undressed her
Invested in a crane just so I could suspend her
But when she ingested a train I just couldn't defend her
Arrest her if you can but she tends to dodge away
Looking like a sumo wrestler when she dons lingerie
To top it off she did me dirty but I let bygones be bygones
And got her a size 30 skirt that I left for her to try on

And it was tight... tighter than skinny jeans on Santa
You gotta be Braves to get with this girl like you're from Atlanta
Her snatch was like a Hot Pocket - crusty and cheesey
She's busty but that dusty vagina made me queasy
That b!tch, it wasn't easy - needed a bridge for the abyss
Started my voyage in July and finished it on Christmas
I never refuse a challenge - I hate to lose, I'll get it right
But an extra thick chick makes me lose my appetite

Those hoes are so slow but they need to get to fasting
Eat something like Atkins featured by celebrity has-beens
Go with Slim Fast if you wanna try it bad: a trim a-ss
Don't want the diet fads then b!tch just hit the gym mats
Cuz this is a problem - silly fat folks, we got em
That's why I don't want em like Bill to Hilly Rodham
So call this a warning but a tirade's my goal
Cuz the only fatties I like are the kind that I roll

== CON'S TOPIC 1 ==

Peace in the Middle East
tvellalott

Con

Gah, I hardly know anything about the Middle East, so this was kind of tricky. I've had a burst of inspiration tonight (inspiration or desperation? :D) and wrote most of this in one go. Anyway, I'm not really happy with it, but I've got no more time. I regret not rhyming Middle East with Angry Beast...
Anyway, here it is:

"What can I say about Peace in the Middle East?"

I think Peace in the Middle East is Unlikely,
Just one horrible, long string of conflict, See,
From in the day of the second Ramesses,
With the Battle of Kadesh, one thousand BC
The Hittite and the Egyptian Armies,
Fought for control of the Mediterranean Sea.

Next came the first Persian Empire,
Their need to conquer was dire,
Xerxes the First, he invaded the Greeks,
Got their supplies cut off and were forced to retreat,
Alexander the Great, he conquering the Area,
It seems likely now that he died of Malaria
The Romans came next, a shadow of a thousand years,
Killing, maiming, torturing, a flowing river of tears.

The birthplace of Religion, good old Christianity,
Child crusades to purge the region of insanity,
Pointless death and the loss of Man's humanity,
That why the Pope is the target of my profanity.

Don't forget Judaism and Islam,
Never doing good, only bringing about harm,
Thinking about it, struggling to remain calm,
Another Australian troop dead in Afghanistan.

Fighting a war they shouldn't be involved in,
Someone please call that Privates next of kin,
He died looking for Osama Bin Ladin,
The whole war plan should be thrown in the bin.

Fighting for Oil on scorched Soil, this whole subject makes my blood Boil. Men in Suits cause Turmoil, Warfare, No-one Cares, don't see, the consequence, theres no defence. Got no tolerance for nonsense or stupidity so don't talk to me about pity or ask me to join some committee of bullsh!t and hypocrites.

The whole damn situation is such a pity,
I wish I could bring all the good people home to my city,
I'd forget all the fear and propaganda,
They could forget about war and all the sand I-
-‘d teach them a bit about our way of life,
away from the death and the constant strife.
Share of smoke of the old peace pipe,
And re-enact every good stereotype,
I don't think it will happen, there's just too much prejudice
While their women are wearing that offensive head-dress

The fear of terrorism, leads to pessimism, distrust, we must, tackle problems, not slow, not fast, look past, our history, before we, make judgements, treat anyone with dissent, or hatred, it's been said, to break bread, use YOUR head, think of the dead and lie in the bed that you've made.

YOUR NEXT RAP TOPIC:
DIGITAL PIRACY LAWS
Debate Round No. 2
Danielle

Pro

Danielle forfeited this round.
tvellalott

Con

L, you can keep the topic of "DIGITAL PIRACY" and rap about that in the next round.
I understand losing track of time and accidently forfeiting debates, so I'll let you off.
^_-
Debate Round No. 3
Danielle

Pro

Danielle forfeited this round.
tvellalott

Con

I'm very disappointed in how this has gone.
Would some else be interested in doing the same thing?
Debate Round No. 4
Danielle

Pro

== Introduction ==

Many thanks to my opponent for sticking it out and accepting this debate -- I've had this idea for awhile, and I'm glad it was finally able to come into fruition even though it wasn't completed according to plan :|

With just 37 minutes left to write, I've decided to see what I can come up with in this very short amount of time just so I can avoid forfeiting this debate in its entirety. Admittedly, I lost interest half-way through and as such will be voting the conduct point to my opponent automatically. I ask that the audience do the same.

== Arguments ==

Because this debate was not completed as detailed in R1, I won't have the opportunity to argue the way I had planned in favor of my verses. However, I will quickly explain why my Verse 1 was better than my opponent's.

In judging lyrics, the things I consider are technical abilities, creativity and originality. My R1 verse decided to put a humorous spin on the obesity epidemic and I included a lot of play on words and other witticisms.

My opponent's R1 lyrics had a flow that was off. For instance, check out his opening lines:

"I think Peace in the Middle East is Unlikely,
Just one horrible, long string of conflict, See,"

The word "see" at the end would be off-beat had these lyrics been put to music. Not only is it a forced rhyme, but it's too simple and doesn't fit. Other parts of Con's verse 1 had this same problem. Moreover, I think I showed more versatility with my complex rhyme schemes and ability to generate fitting slant rhymes. For instance:

"Sweeties with obesity in these cities sleep peacefully
And seize diabetes - a shitty disease so easily"

Rhyming peacefully and easily is a slant rhyme that works; an example of my opponent's attempt at this is rhyming the words 'calm' and 'Afghanistan' in his fourth verse, respectively. It seemingly does not fit or work. Slant rhymes do NOT have to rhyme perfectly (that's the whole point) but they should at least sound good when rapped together.

With only one round of comparison, it's hard to come up with arguments considering we took very different approaches to our verses: humorous vs. historical. As a fitting punishment for my forfeits, my opponent will have the advantage in being able to compare two rounds of verses instead of one in his description of why his verses are better than mine. However, while this debate was structured to allow us each to explain or defend our verses in the final round, overall it will be up to the audience to use their judgment in determining who had the better lyrics.

Again, the audience should consider who did the best job of coming up with creative and impressive lyrics to obscure topics. The lyrics should be held to the standard of being witty, clever, interesting and on tempo a.k.a. within the realm of a proper 'flow.' With that said, I'd like to present my second and final verse before sending this debate back over to Con for a final time. Thanks again and good luck!

== Verse 2: Digital Piracy ==

Sloppy fights over copyrights remain
Who owns the rights to intellectual domain?
Some say they own what comes from yo' brain
But no pain no gain's the nature of the game
And it's nature over nurture - so before you get political
In search of what's correct then a little thought is critical
And you might not think an issue like this is pivotal
Til you're the kid in the middle being sued for his nickels
Can't believe you're a criminal - now chief you're in a pickle
Cuz they say you're a thief of that which is digital
Next thing you know you're being brought up on charges
And all this time you thought you were getting a bargain
But they called you a pirate; you denied it and cringed (duh)
Cuz really deep down YOU WOULD RATHER BE A NINJA
You told them you know nothing 'bout digital piracy
And they said, "You little sh!t, there's no need to lie to me"
You never heard of it so you looked it up on Wikipedia
To your concern - that's how you get all of your media!
Is it worth it or are you really doing a disservice
To yourself? Naw, just they're wealth - they think they've earned it
Cuz to them it's not about the art but a buck
You can watch from the heart but to them you're a schmuck
Just another annoying kid avoiding the payments
You're destroying them, leaving their bank accounts vacant
Cuz god forbid they think someone's infringing on profits
They'll go down swinging and flinging anything to stop it
And really who can blame them at the end of the day
Cuz we all like to play but we still gotta get paid
Though I'm afraid their laws are a lost cause to hate
A round of applause 'cause their efforts were great
That's sarcastic - Futile attempts at feudal results are apparent
Getting drastic, they've bashed parents and still the problem is rampant
And to fix it they just might have to get more creative
But the topic of whether to solve it's debated
Some refuse to buy it so it's clear to see like IMAX
That you can still be a pirate even without the eye patch

== Con's Verse 2 Topic ==

Lady Gaga
tvellalott

Con

tvellalott forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by bossyburrito 4 years ago
bossyburrito
Wait WHAT THE FVCK????????? Did Danielle change her name in the middle of this? this debate was instigated as TheLWerd, but here it shows Danielle...

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Posted by tvellalott 6 years ago
tvellalott
Feel free to invite someone who can vote to cancel him out.
Posted by Danielle 6 years ago
Danielle
Erick just went around v-bombing all my debates this past hour.
Posted by tvellalott 6 years ago
tvellalott
YES!!! (yes)
Posted by Danielle 6 years ago
Danielle
:( Do you wanna try this again?
Posted by tvellalott 6 years ago
tvellalott
The power supply in my fvcking home computer blew up last night >_< I've forfeited the last round in two debates and I'm furious. I'm at work at the moment.
Posted by Danielle 6 years ago
Danielle
Well considering Con forfeited the last round and only did 1 verse... I'm not sure how to vote now lol.
Posted by tvellalott 6 years ago
tvellalott
You REALLY suck!
Posted by tvellalott 6 years ago
tvellalott
You suck.
Posted by Danielle 6 years ago
Danielle
I just noticed I had 2 hours to write something. Meh, I've been watching football all day. I think I'm gonna keep watching... sorry tv, I might forfeit again :/ I just have no desire to try to come up with something creative.
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