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DDhananjay
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lannan13
Con (against)
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MOM is a wasteful mission and shall be called off.

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lannan13
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Started: 7/20/2014 Category: Science
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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DDhananjay

Pro

well, to start with, i'd just like to say that all the missions that are launched off to Mars or others as well, are simply a waste of time and money and shall be called off at once.
lannan13

Con

First round is acceptance. I look forward to a great debate.
Debate Round No. 1
DDhananjay

Pro

well, thanks for the acceptance.
coming on to the arguments round, i'd like to substantiate my chosen point with an undeniable and an irrefutable fact which is of that of world poverty. when half of the world is living under the threats of problems like water and food scarcity, i firmly believe that rather than spending billions of rupees merely on a mission that will give us nothing is complete nonsense and a sheer wastage of money. these billions of rupees spent by NASA , ISRO or many other agencies if put to a good use, like the one stated above can really prove fruitful and help our world get relief from terrible conditions of poverty and further serve the humanity and lead to the development of this whole world.
all these missions are undertaken for no good reason at all, specially the one of serving humanity.
lannan13

Con

Contention 1: NASA makes a fortune while is paid pennies.

NASA is given $17 billion per year while they add $180 billion to the US economy. That's a factor of over 100 times what they are paid. ( http://useconomy.about.com...) The only other department that is anywhere close to NASA is the Department of Agriculture which is $21 billion.

Contention 2: What is MOM

The MOM missions my opponent is speaking of is a mission that went to Mars and it maps the planet and uses it's sensors to find out resources and minerals on the planet. ( http://science.nasa.gov...) Now why is this important? Eventually the people of Earth will have to leave and colonize other planets or even mine them as Earth is currently running out of Rare Earth Metals.

Subpoint 1: Rare Earth Metals

95% of the world's REMs belong to China and new Chinese regulations are driving prices of REMs up and China has even began to hold back their exports as they have already cut off all REM exports to Japan. ( http://www.forbes.com...) and ( http://www.business-standard.com...) Now what are REMs you may ask? REMs are what we use in current everday technology from your plasma screen TV and your cell phone to hybrid cars and military spy satellites. These raw minerals are key for future and modern technology.

Subpoint 2: Colonizing Mars

It's inevitable, humans have to expand or die. Many times throughout history our population has risen above a certain level and shortly afterwards the human race has met a massive die off. People have even began to adopt some extremes like those of the Georgia Guidestones where they want massive genocide to get the human population down.

I appologize for the lack of holding as I did this argument on my phone.
Debate Round No. 2
DDhananjay

Pro

for the first point put forward, NASA although adds a lot to the US Economy but what about other countries. Is NASA the only space agency? Talking about economy, does an increase in the economy reveal the human status of a nation. may be out of a population of 1000, 900 benefit, but what about the remaining 100. I think even my opponent will agree to the fact that these 100 people and their sustenance is far more important than the space missions, with no benefit at all. NASA may contribute a lot to the nation's economy bot what about the present status of people, not only in the US but outside as well. Rather than spending billions on missions can they not be donated for their benefit.
Yes, you are absolutely right when you say that people will have to go to other planets to sustain their life, but, don't you think that the cost is going to be, so high that is far from the reach of commons; Forget about the poor. What will be the benefit to them, from these missions. Neither here, nor there....... the answer to the sub point 1 ALSO LIES IN THE VERY SAME POINT. what's the use of mining metals or other things, once we know the cost then is going to be far from the reach of commons or even the elite class. I think we shall first live in present rather than dreaming long about future.
Definitely humans will not expand until they first sustain their very own present life.
lannan13

Con

Contention 1: NASA adds to Economy.

This debate is about NASA's MOMS mission not the entire world problem's like hunger and starvation. I will refute his argument about that in Subpoint 2. NASA has devolped the GPS, weather satellites, and ATMs. Thanks to NASA they have helped save lives of thousands by expanding warnings for tornados, hurricanes and floods. (http://useconomy.about.com...)

As per my opponent's 100 out of 1,000,900 people argument we can apply the theory of utilitarianism. Which states that the needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few. If we help a million people, but hurt a hundred or don't help the hundred then it is justified, because we are helping more of society. Plus with the great effects that NASA is creating it has bettered everyone's life. Thus meaning that all even the 100 that Pro is talking about has been affected in a positive mannar.

Contention 2: MOMS

When Railroads first began to pop up everywhere their prices were sky high, but over time as more and more railroad companies came up and monopolies and trusts were busted the price of a train ticket has dropped to a microscopic level that it is today. We can see the same corrilation for outer space. The price is high now, because there is barely anyone doing it, but soon overtime the price of space travel will drop significantly.

Subpoints 1&2: REMs.

The reason that there is starvation and hunger in the world is, because there is not enough food to go around. This is proof that the world is becoming overpopulated and that humans need to move NOW!


95% of the world's REM (Rare Earth Metals) supply belongs to China. China is starting to crack down on REM exports to the US leading to almost chaos. (http://www.telegraph.co.uk...)You may think no big deal, but if it goes any futher it will lead to US crackdown on China and with the US trying to put leverage on the US China will most likely do the same leading to an economic down of the US and then China then the world. Why is this you may ask? It is the fact that the US is entirely reliant on China and the fact that China is also to reliant on the US if one falls they both do. We currently use Rare Earth Elements to make electronics from the cell phone you have and your TV to military satellites. We get a lot of our Green technology from them to like pollution controls, LED light bulbs, and Hybrid cars. (http://science.howstuffworks.com...)

2nd senerio.

We all know that REM are what we use in batteries, cell phones, and even military technology. So it is key that the wealth gets spread around. Since China is hoarding them the US could try to force China to give them up. This is very likely to happen since nation's in the past of done this type of thing. Look at Japan when they attack the US due to the US oil emargo on them. This will lead to a possible WW3 and this senerio is likely to happen because once you run out of REMs then you're out.(http://www.roitov.com...) This is a war that will hurt many nation and has a potention to go nuclear and the world will likely end due to this episode. (“The Asian Ascent: Opportunity for Peace or Precondition for War?,” International Studies Perspectives, Volume 7, Issue 1, Pages 36-42)Contention 3: Economic pay back!It's $195 billion per astriod! (http://www.space.com...) Think about the trade of it'll take $2.7 billion to mine while the profit is $195 billion. With this kind of profit the US will be able to finally start to pay off it's debts which will increase trade interest with the US from other nations.
Debate Round No. 3
DDhananjay

Pro

DDhananjay forfeited this round.
lannan13

Con

All points extended.
Debate Round No. 4
DDhananjay

Pro

DDhananjay forfeited this round.
lannan13

Con

All points extended please vote Con.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by AlexanderOc 2 years ago
AlexanderOc
Not tis time, not this time.
Posted by 9spaceking 2 years ago
9spaceking
noooob-snipe!
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