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Madea is responsible for killing her children

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Started: 5/10/2015 Category: People
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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MyaClarke93

Pro

1.The definition of anger is a strong passion or emotion of displeasure or antagonism, excited by a real or supposed injury or insult to one's self or others, or by the intent to do such injury.
2.Anger gives a person motivation to act upon revenge when slighted, but the action of taking revenge does not have to be physically ,just as long as a person is thinking about the revenge, they are still considered anger. Thus meaning even though Medea was anger she could have reacted with the thought of revenge with killing her children and not doing so in the act.
3.The emotion of anger does not have the ability to force anyone to do anything they do not want to do.
4.According to Seneca anger gives us ideas for vengeance that our reasonable mind would not agree to, which mean even though Medea was anger it was not right for her to kill her children
5.Medea did not want to kill her children when she saw them, but it was her decision to go through with it making her responsible for their deaths. Medea was well aware that killing her children was wrong making her decision to kill them wrong
6.Medea is guilty for killing her children because she did it out of spite to put her husband through pain.
7.Seneca says, there is nothing useful in anger, and that it is not the solution to solving a problem, for it is only a temporary fix. With that being said killing her children out of angers revenge and spit is not a logical solution.
8.Medea, just like any other person, could have chosen to listen to reason, but instead consciously decided to follow through with her vengeful plan.
9.Medea knew that killing her children was wrong and that it would put her through pain when they are dead, but she still reasonably decided to go through with it after stating her pain of bringing them on earth then taking them out.
10.Therefore, Medea is fully responsible for her actions.
11.Non-controversial: premises 1 ,2 and 3 are non-controversial, because premise (1) and (2) are stating definitions.
12.Controversial premises: 5 through 10 are controversial because they stating my personal opinions on the Madea monologue. Premise 3 is controversial because it is state the theory of Seneca on anger
atiyacole93

Con

1.I agree with the stated definition of anger being, a strong passion or emotion of displeasure or antagonism, excited by a real or supposed injury or insult to one's self or others, or by the intent to do such injury.
2.Frustration is not be confused with anger, for it is a strong feeling of displeasure and belligerence by a wrong or wrath of and individual or object.
3. According to Aristotle anger changes a person"s feelings and state of mind, because it effects their mental judgement. Therefore in response to your premise (2) anger does force a person to react in response to it since it alters a person"s judgment.
4.Medea is not responsible for killing her children, because she is insane due to the actions of her husband driver her crazy mentally. Because of her insanity disorder, Medea did not understand that what she was doing was illegal or wrong she just wanted to help her children.
5.Medea was compelled to commit the crime of killing her children by an irresistible force of god guidance, for she believe that"s what he wanted to happen as a plan of revenge. As well as the irresistible force of her husband slights and abuse.
6.Medea"s husband forced her to kill her children by first frustrating her which led her to the discomforted and motivation of anger causing her mind to seek revenge to plot a plan to save her children from the torture and pain her husband had put her through by killing them before he could to it to them.
7.Medea killed children out of the act of a greater spirit. Medea granted her children with life on earth and saved their lives by killing them off to escape the troubles of human kind. Medea states: "I gave birth to them I shall kill them" thus meaning Medea felt it was her right to kill the children since she was saving them.
8.Yes I agree that Medea knew that her life would be empty without her children and that this could cause her the most pain, but she decided to go through with killing her children to save them from suffering. Medea rather go through life in pain then watch her children go through it.

9.Medea is not responsible for killing her children, because she did it out of the mental judgement of anger. Angered from her husband"s conspicuous slights, Medea had no choice but kill her children to put them out of the miseries of life she knew they would have had to face and the conspicuous slights from their father.

10.Yes it is wrong to kill children, but Medea is mad, which means she is not responsible for her action of revenge.

Non-controversial: premises 1 and 2 are non-controversial, because premise (1) and (2) are stating definitions.
Controversial premises: 4 through 10 are controversial because they are stating my opinions. Premise 3 is controversial because it is state the theory of philosopher Aristotle
Debate Round No. 1
MyaClarke93

Pro

1.Even though a person judgment is altered does not mean they have the rightful reason to kill their child. For example just because a person judges another person that does not make the judgment right, or even just enough to kill another human.
2.Madea cannot claim insanity because she was aware of her actions when killing her children as well as its results.
3.I agree with the above definition of frustration being a strong feeling of displeasure and belligerence by a wrong or wrath of and individual or object.
4.Although Frustration and anger caused and emotion of motivation to seek revenge towards her husband, it does not make it right to act upon murder.
5.Madea is her own person that is of legal adult age which gives reason to believe that medea husband cannot force her do anything she does not want to do, including murder.
6.Murder in most cases are painful, with this being said Medea was not helping her children, but only harming them of life and a painful death
atiyacole93

Con

1.Yes judgement can effect a person"s outcome due to the fact that what we think and what we believe turns out to be what we do. Madea puts up with the cruel reality of life so long with her husband and such that her judgement was based off the corruption infested in her subconscious brain, in which she could not help since she was provoked over time allowing this judgement to form in longevity.
2.Yes, Judgement doesn"t give a person the right to murder but, it can be the reason as to why a person commits murder. For example a person can base judgement of their children being in danger and decide to do whatever it is they have to do to save them from harm. In this case madea judgement was based off a good dead of savior not a bad deed of murder
3.I agree with your premise (5) that Madea is her own person and she is and adult, however I still stand by my argument that she is suffering from insanity due to the fact that she is committing a murder, but believes she is doing it in a righteous spirit. Madea believes that the only reason she has to murder her kids is to save them. She believes this is the only solution she has and was forced to do without any other outlet, thus proving why she is insane
4.In reference to your premise on Seneca"s theory on anger. Seneca theory does not apply to madea because she believes that her action to kill her children was long time fixed solution to saving them from the world since they will no longer exist for others to torture as she stated in the monologue. Therefore medea technically did not gain a temporary answer to her problem.
5.As for your premise (6), murder doesn"t have to be painful all the time. We do not know the form in which madea murdered her children, for all we no she could have gave them poison to kill them harmlessly in their sleep which is not making them go through pain or suffering.
Debate Round No. 2
MyaClarke93

Pro

1.Madea doesn"t have to react off of her subconscious thoughts and judgement. Madea did not have to react of impulse from her brain to kill her children for example: There are a lot of things a person wish they can do or want to but they can"t do it and won"t do it simply because they know it"s wrong.
2.How do we know exactly that madea judgement was based off a good deed? Madea only states that the world is filled with torture and corruption. For all we know madea could be the one putting her children through this torture, by killing them and robbing them of life.
3.Madea decided to take action and murder the kids herself leaving her with the full responsibility of their deaths, which should not go unnoticed or unpunished. Medea"s husband was not physically present in assisting her in the act of the murders. Therefore I stand by my argument that her husband did not force her to murder her children. Madea killed them herself without her husband"s guidance or help making him not guilty and her a murderer
4.Madea took it upon herself to come up with the vengeful plan of murder and is simply using her religious background and hardships of life to make since of it as a form of and excuse
5.Murder in any form is wrong whether it is painful or not. Innocent children did not deserve to die by the hands of their own mother.
6.Madea could have choose a better option in dealing with saving her kills, but she choose to commit a crime and murder them which is wrong.
atiyacole93

Con

1.Madea was basing the murder of her children as a good deed to sacrifice them to god and not to the devil living on earth as she stated. So in this case madea did not commit a sinful murder but a righteous sacrifice of freedom from hell for her children.
2.Sacrificing is an act of slaughtering an animal or person or surrendering a possession as an offering to God or to a divine or supernatural figure. Many religions believe in sacrificing, which is no longer seen as murder but a deed for god. Madea believed she was doing the right thing so she is not guilty of murder but of sacrificing.
3.Madea husband did not have to be physically there to assist her in killing her children, because he was mentally there in her mind. This goes to show that madea is suffering from insanity because the mental abuse from her husband caused her to do what she believed was right in her head.
Debate Round No. 3
MyaClarke93

Pro

1.The definition of anger is a strong passion or emotion of displeasure or antagonism, excited by a real or supposed injury or insult to one's self or others, or by the intent to do such injury.
2.Anger gives a person motivation to act upon revenge when slighted, but the action of taking revenge does not have to be physically, just as long as a person is thinking about the revenge.
3. Medea was angry but she could have reacted with the thought of revenge with killing her children and not actually physically kill them
4.The emotion of anger does not have the ability to force anyone to do anything they do not want to do.
5.Medea did not want to kill her children when she saw them, but it was her decision to go through with it making her responsible for their deaths since she knew murdering them was wrong
6.Seneca says, there is nothing useful in anger, and that it is not the solution to solving a problem, for it is only a temporary fix. With that being said killing her children out of angers revenge and spit is not a logical solution.
7.Medea should have chosen to listen to reason, but instead consciously decided to follow through with her vengeful plan.
8.Therefore, Medea is fully responsible for her actions.
atiyacole93

Con

1.Anger is a strong passion or emotion of displeasure or antagonism, excited by a real or supposed injury or insult to one's self or others, or by the intent to do such injury.
2.Frustration is not be confused with anger, for it is a strong feeling of displeasure and belligerence by a wrong or wrath of and individual or object.
3. According to Aristotle anger changes a person"s feelings and state of mind, because it effects their mental judgement. Therefore in response to your premise (2) anger does force a person to react in response to it since it alters a person"s judgment.
4.Medea is not responsible for killing her children, because she is insane due to the actions of her husband driver her crazy mentally.
5.Medea was compelled to commit the crime of killing her children by an irresistible force of god guidance, making her action become a sacrifice rather than a murder
6.Medea"s husband forced her to kill her children by first frustrating her which led her to the discomforted and motivation of anger causing her mind to seek revenge to plot a plan to save her children from the torture and pain her husband had put her through by killing them before he could to it to them.

7.Medea is not responsible for killing her children, because she did it out of the mental judgement of anger. Angered from her husband"s conspicuous slights, Medea had no choice but kill her children to put them out of the miseries of life she knew they would have had to face and the conspicuous slights from their father.

8.Medea is mad, which means she is not responsible for her action of revenge in sacrificing her children
Debate Round No. 4
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