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Magic The gathering is satanic?

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Started: 8/1/2016 Category: Religion
Updated: 6 months ago Status: Post Voting Period
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DATMEME

Con

Magic the gathering is in no way satanic, it is a piece of cardboard, paper, and some glue to stick it together. Satan won't come out of burnt cards, you won't get influenced by satan playing it, and the cards won't cause events in the spirit world. If you look at most cards they don't even mention demons, Devils, or satan like beings. Yes there are certain cards that say demon on them, but what do you expect from a fantasy game? There are way more cards that have pictures and text that could be described as holy.
http://gatherer.wizards.com... (Example)
Stupidape

Pro

Outline
I. Intro
II. Scantly clad angels
III. Demons
IV. Pentagram
V. Other Gods
VI. Dragons
VII. Demons
VIII. Witch craft
IX. Conclusion
X. Links
I. Intro

First, I am not alone in this thinking. [0]

II. Scantly clad angels

If you look at the angel my opponent posted, she is wearing semi revealing clothing. Here's another angel that is more scantly clad. [1] There are plenty other examples of this.

III. Demons

There are plenty of demon cards in magic.

IV. Pentagram

One artwork of unholy strength has a picture of a pentagram. [2]

V. Other Gods

[3] As you can see MTG puts forth the idea of other Gods.

VI. Dragons

Dragons are seen as satanic in Christianity. This is a problem in general with a lot of games. Kids often play as Satan without knowing it. For example, in Breath of Fire the main character can transform into a dragon. I kid you not the main character transforms into Satan. Spyro the dragon, you play as Satan. MTG is no exception. [4]

VII. Demons

Plenty of demons in MTG. In fact you summon them and can sacrifice humans to them.

VIII. Witch craft

All of MTG is witches and warlocks. To the best of my knowledge any magic that is not from God, must be evil. This is just like any other fantasy game. For example in Final Fantasy series there is a white mage character. Clearly, this character is practicing witchcraft. The character never prays for the magic. Yet, our culture is full of references like this.

The most famous warlock is Merlin. [5] I never understood why King Arthur did not burn him at the stake. Clearly his magic was not initiated by prayer. MTG seems to follow in Merlin's wake. This is a world of difference between God parting the Red Sea for Moses, versus the witchcraft that Merlin casts.

This is the main flaw of magic and why it is satanic. You are casting spells. Even the clerics worship false idols and not Jesus Christ. As a kid I innocently played all sorts of video games. Not realizing my characters were warlocks, witches, and praying to false idols. This is a huge problem with video games in general, including magic the gathering.

IX. Conclusion

MTG, really isn't different from most video games. Yet, from Star Wars and the force to Merlin its all witchcraft and evil. Luke Skywalker and all Jedi are just as evil as the Siths by casting vile witchcraft. In fact, more evil because the Jedis pretend to be good. At least the Siths are honest.

X. Links

0. http://logosresourcepages.org...
1. http://gatherer.wizards.com...
2. http://gatherer.wizards.com...
3. http://gatherer.wizards.com...
4. http://www.rapturechrist.com...
5. http://www.witchcraftandwitches.com...
Debate Round No. 1
DATMEME

Con

In no way was the card example I posted "scantily clad" I could barely see her legs. And really, how many "demon" cards have you saw in Magic the Gathering . and yes the card you stated had a pentagram, but that's a card from the 90's (very early 90's)
Magic the gathering does have other gods, but you could say the same about every fantasy setting, for example there's World of Warcraft, Final Fantasy , and The Legend of Zelda. In Magic The Gathering dragons are displayed as flying beasts that can breath fire, or ice and such. The dragons in the card game are not satanic excluding silgumar who is a undead (?) dragon that enslaves people, but of course to balance that there's a dragon of knowledge, and a dragon of life(maybe?).
In Magic The Gathering the demons don't exclusively make you sacrifice humans, and in most cases the demons don't make you sacrifice anything, they make you lose life (life as in a number that can go down and when it reaches zero you lose the game). Magic The Gathering is not witchcraft, it's cards made of cardboard and paper. Games are games, they won't make you a satanist, or anything else against Christianity. Magic The Gathering doesn't make you cast real magic, it's just the name of the game, you won't go to hell because you pretend cast magic. You cast "spells" in games like WoW (World Of Warcraft) but I don't see a fuss about that. In Star Wars the "magic" is psychic space powers, and isn't really evil. (Except in the hands of evil people). In conclusion magic the gathering isn't real "magic" it's cardboard and paper, and has no connection to the spirit world or anything along those lines.
Stupidape

Pro

Compare this to a classic Christian angel. See how there is no leg showing.

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https://images.duckduckgo.com...

"In Magic The Gathering dragons are displayed as flying beasts that can breath fire" DATMEME

Every dragon is satanic in nature according to Christianity. The fact that they didn't show the dragons as satanic goes against the Bible. It would be more acceptable if every dragon had the creature type devil as opposed to dragon. By labeling Satan as the creature type dragon they are effectively stating that not all dragons are satanic, which is not true.


As for spells, every spell has two forms in Christianity. Holy and demonic. There is no in between, there is no neutral magic. Green and blue magic in the game is clearly satanic in nature because the mages do not pray to God for the power. If they would have made magic two colors I could understand, white and black. There is no neutral in Christianity, in fact neutrality seen by Lucifer's rebellion is the same as following the path of Lucifer. Remember the muse would not choose sides and got the same fate as the Satan's angels.

Clearly, in my opinion the green, blue, and red magic should only be able summon and cast evil spells. Since neutrality and evil are one in the same from a Christian point of view.

Thanks for the debate.

Debate Round No. 2
DATMEME

Con

In the picture you showed I could see as much leg as I could see on avacyn (my example). If dragons not being displayed as devils in magic the gathering is satanic, then almost every other game, movie, book, TV show, and comic book that has dragons are against Christianity. If the other 3 colors did only cast evil spells there wouldn't be good variety and the game wouldn't be as fun. Also, if there was only two colors the game wouldn't be fun either. Your welcome also.

(Sorry this was so short there wasn't a whole lot of stuff to argue with)
Stupidape

Pro

As for the Christian angel versus the card game magic that is not true. There is no leg showing, versus some leg showing. More to the point many MTG angels reveal a lot more.

As for other games with dragons, this is true. It shows just how far we have come from the ways of the Lord. As for the game being fun, I don't think a game that endorses witchcraft should be fun. Thanks for debating.
Debate Round No. 3
11 comments have been posted on this debate. Showing 1 through 10 records.
Posted by DATMEME 6 months ago
DATMEME
I hope people vote soon
Posted by DATMEME 6 months ago
DATMEME
The people who made his first example on his first debate also think Pokemon is evil and said "what if they carry there favorite monsters like magical charms or fetishes in their pockets, trusting them to bring power in times of need" LOL, I don't agree with any site claiming ___________ is satanic/evil
Posted by DavidMancke 6 months ago
DavidMancke
Miari's wake was way less broke, and it was on
Posted by DavidMancke 6 months ago
DavidMancke
No the card that can't be countered is just stupid or, and there's ways to sneak it out.
Posted by DATMEME 6 months ago
DATMEME
Is my opponent stupid? Or me?
Posted by DATMEME 6 months ago
DATMEME
My opponent?
Posted by DavidMancke 6 months ago
DavidMancke
I've been out of the game for a while, but that can't be countered guy is just stupid.
Posted by DATMEME 6 months ago
DATMEME
Oh wait, I forgot to post some cards I mentioned
http://gatherer.wizards.com... (The dragon of life (?) I mentioned)
http://gatherer.wizards.com... (The dragon of knowledge I mentioned)
http://gatherer.wizards.com... (It was silumgar not silgumar, he was the undead dragon, and also a dragon of death)
Posted by DavidMancke 6 months ago
DavidMancke
One can, but I find that MTG local trading economies tend to have one or a few, enriched collectors that set the local trade values. One could also argue that the MTG trade market, inclusive or not, is the service of mammon (wealth)
Posted by DATMEME 6 months ago
DATMEME
Good point, but you could also gain money playing it.
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