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vardas0antras
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Make me a christian

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Started: 12/20/2010 Category: Religion
Updated: 6 years ago Status: Voting Period
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pattjk

Con

I see this type of debate has been attempted before, but it was a Muslim trying to convert an atheist. I am interested in seeing a Christian try and convert me.

I thank anyone that tries this debate, and Happy Hollidays.
vardas0antras

Pro

There seems to be misconception among the people in the comment section about what this debate is about ; I am not forced to convert my opponent rather I have a burden of making better arguments for Christianity. Now I expect my opponent to accept this (I could win if you reject this, anyhow).

Furthermore there's no Islam, Buddhism or other Christian denominations. In this debate there's only my religion and your religion ; Atheism versus Christianity. Why ? This is because I am trying to show that my religion is more reasonable than yours rather than my religion is more reasonable than Hinduism.

Definitions:
Atheism:
Belief in no God.
Agnosticism:
Belief in no God.
Christianity:
Belief that Jesus is God.
(Yes the definitions are very simplified but thats all we need)

I hope my opponent accepts the rules and definitions because I don't want this to be a cheap win like WrathofGod had. Thank you.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Argument Section<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
CHRISTIANITY:

o Bible
- It is unique in many ways (written over 1,500 year span, over 40 authors maintaining harmony and continuity, survival through time, influence on society, unique teachings, etc.)
- It contains no contradiction. If you disagree please provide one contradiction from the Bible (Old testament or New Testament).
Q. Why only one, there are many and I mean many?
A. No space plus if the best contradiction you could find is refuted then how likely is it that the lesser contradictions are not in reality contradictions. Besides this will make you think before you post, for example you'll think "What do Christians say about this ?" and I am sure that normally you wouldn't look for that type of information.
Note: A translational error (obviously), metaphors (for some reason atheist don't think the Bible is allowed to use this popular type of art), context isn't considered (obviously), biblical inerrancy (check InquireTruth account), deliberate translation errors (Hey with this I can make one sentence contradict itself in 8 different ways) or any other flimsy attempts to evade my challenge will be noted and shown to all.
- It is scientifically sound, again only one argument may be presented.
- It is the best selling book (this is to provide a cumulative case)
- It is Historically sound ; obviously only one argument may be presented. Also please remember that I am not bound to use the Usshers chronology in fact I think its erroneous and should be forgotten immediately. In other words I support all valid arguments against Usshers chronology because its not biblical.
- It promotes wisdom and goodness (that is it wasn't written because of greed, malice or a wish to go to war)

o Resurrection
- The tomb was empty (this is commonly accepted and this is a common problem to atheist ; I await your response)
- Women were the first witnesses to the resurrection
- Jesus disciples willingly suffered for their beliefs and so did many people who saw him resurrect.
Sources will be given in next round due to space ; these are common arguments, anyhow.

o You
-You have nothing to lose, give it a try. Study the Bible and listen to its teachings. Learn from Christians. Is your current lifestyle so important that you can't give a week or two ; it may change your eternity. It changed my life and it may change yours.

o Who is Great
"I know men and I tell you, Jesus Christ is no mere man. Between him and every other person in the world there is no possible term of comparison. Alexander, Caesar, Charlemagne, and I have founded empires. But on what did we rest the creations of our genius? Upon force. Jesus Christ founded his empire upon love; and at this hour, millions would die for him." Napoleon Bonaparte
Who is the great one? :
http://www.onesolitarylifemovie.com...
Human or not amazing he was, now you may try to say that he doesn't exist, please provide one argument for now obvious reasons and I'll refute it. Ill even give you a handful of reasons of why he existed.
Q. What about other events?
A.""History…is indeed little more than the register of the crime, follies, and misfortune of mankind."
Edward Gibbon

o Liar or Lunatic
-I hope my opponent realizes that Jesus has to be one of those or....(God)...

Due to space I won't go on but I will make few small points against Atheism.

ATHEISM:
o Why are we here? (I will elaborate after a response)
o Give me evidence that God does not exist.

o Ideas
In my school we had a soldier visit us who was in the Vietnam War. Near the end at some point (when we began to be deep thinkers,lol) he mentioned that no idea was created by us. That is all peoples thoughts are a result of what was told to them from the begining. Questions:
1.Who was the first thinker
Another question concerning ideas:
1.Lets be honest that there are many religions and ideas in this world. Interestingly everything for everybody fits like a puzzle (the universe is in accord to their beliefs). How? Well there are different interpretations.
Wouldn't it be more reasonable and sane to use a theistic interpretation and why?

AS YOU HAVE NOTICED I HAVEN'T PROVIDED MANY SOURCES THIS IS BECAUSE OF SPACE AND BECAUSE MOST OF WHAT I WROTE IS USUALLY ACCEPTED(hence I don't see a need), ANYHOW IF YOU THINK THAT I HAVE NO EVIDENCE FOR SOMETHING I SAID JUST ASK FOR A SOURCE + ILL ADD SOME SOURCES IN THE NEXT ROUND IN ANY CASE (I want those votes for sources).

Thank you and please take your time, I have presented less arguments than it may seem,
Thank you again,
vardas0antras or M for short.
Debate Round No. 1
pattjk

Con

pattjk forfeited this round.
vardas0antras

Pro

Ah well I was anticipating a competitive debate.

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Debate Round No. 2
pattjk

Con

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Debate Round No. 3
pattjk

Con

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Debate Round No. 4
pattjk

Con

pattjk forfeited this round.
vardas0antras

Pro

How terrible... Anyhow, I know, I promised to provide sources but my enthusiasm was killed so I won't do that.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by DS28 6 years ago
DS28
Christians are da bomb and the most dominate religion.
Posted by EuphoricTurtle 6 years ago
EuphoricTurtle
How can you not make another person a Christian? That really makes no sense.
Posted by Koopin 6 years ago
Koopin
After careful consideration, I have decided that this is the dumbest, most idiotic topic on DDO. No one can make someone a Christian. Read the Bible.

FAIL.
Posted by Freeman 6 years ago
Freeman
Proof that there is a God ---->
Posted by wjmelements 6 years ago
wjmelements
Is this debating the merits of, or the actuality of the conversion?
Posted by Hound 6 years ago
Hound
Not necessarily. If Con can't refute Pro's points, Pro should get the win.

It's similar to that debate between Mirza and CN, just with Christianity specified.
Posted by Ore_Ele 6 years ago
Ore_Ele
Is Con just gonna say "I'm still not a christian, so I win."
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