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kl31
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Male Evolution Versus Female Evolution (I believe Female Evolution needs more attention).

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kl31
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 7/28/2014 Category: Philosophy
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Aerogant

Pro

Back in the stone age, the primitive side of the brain was influencing the people over the practical side of the brain. The males created wars, excuses, power and control to get what they wanted, while the females, being biologically structured to be loved, not understood, had to be loved in a terrible sense of the word by the ruling of men. As civilization reached its peak of blood and death, people slowly started waking up to a more advanced way of controlling people without blood baths - the holy book. At this time, women were still suppressed as written in this book, where men continued to reign in a Universe that is built on both the sun (male) and the moon (female). The male is the hot head, and the female is the shining orb of wonder. So as time went by, civilization continued to resort to oppression and negligence towards the other half of nature (female), and so females never truly managed to grow like males did over these decades of dark time, which in turn caused the female brain to stay in a child brain's state from as young as a little girl in this new century where they are expected to love the color pink, ponies, rainbows and other LSD things, with no awareness of male's intentions or the raw jungle this society is towards indifference. The very reason why women are still in a child's state is because of all the negligence and ignorance of men towards their counter-part, in a Universe that's designed to have opposites compliment each other, not defeat each other. There's more animus, than anima today as much as yesterday - it simply doesn't seem apparent because females and males both were convinced that females are now in power, when they are not, as they are clearly intellectually challenged because 1) Females do not have the freedom to treat everything about them better for themselves, rather than for men, and 2) When a female manages to escape from this male society's influences, instead of finally building a path for women that needs to be built, they resort to the same riots and hateful fights that get nowhere throughout the world (feminism), thus causing females to forever repeat this vicious cycle between the evolution of female and the evolution of male.
kl31

Con

The fundamental flaw in your argument is your assumption that while male brains evolved to think in violence, causing wars and reigning supreme to the downfall of the human race as a whole, the female brain has evolved to love. And you also mention that the brain of women are in a "child state", suppressed from development by an overbearing patriarchal society. As a result, females are vulnerable to indoctrination started by men such as associating the color pink, ponies, and rainbows with femininity. Another downside that you mention is that if a female "manages to escape from male society's influence, they resort to the same riots and hateful fights that get nowhere in the world"

All of which are absolutely ludicrous. While it is indeed true that the male brain have evolved to be far more violent, its because males can afford to be more violent. Biologically, the value of sperm is negligible compared to the value of an egg. One male can impregnate all the women available to him, yet the female can only carry one offspring at a time. The end result of such sexual dimorphism is a divergence of sexual competition. Men evolved to be far more violent and confrontational than women because men can afford to do so. While it is inarguable that women are far, far less confrontational, to suggest that as mothers, women evolved only to love is absolutely ludicrous as well. Competition between females are far more subtle and passive aggressive than males. Using methods such as exclusionary cliques, and essentially bullying tactics, females manipulate those who they perceive as sexual threats to seem less desirable to males in the social group. Every see the movie Mean Girls? From a psychology perspective that studies group behavior especially in women, it is incredibly accurate. This debunks your notion that females evolved to love, and males evolved to hate. Men and women are both capable of love, care, and compassion, simply because it is evolutionary beneficial to do so. However, due to inherit disparities between the biological factors that separates men and women, we see a competition that naturally arises in which men are more confrontational, while women are more passive aggressive. This is why we see qualities of the modern feminism movement. it is because women as well as men are aggressive, however they are aggressive in their own way. The fact that women who "break free" from the influence of a male dominated society, only to "resort to the same riots and hateful fights that get nowhere" instead of "finally building a path for women that needs to be built", is a result of psychology that governs female behavior. A feminists who resort to riots and hateful fights are only doing what their cavemen brain is telling them to do, much like what a male is doing what their caveman brain is telling them to do.

Describing the female brain as childlike, and not having a chance to evolve due to the overbearing nature of a male dominated society is also ludicrous. the "evidence" that you point out, such as the fact that females are easily manipulated by males into accepting societal gender norm is not the result of a male dominated society. It is the result of applied psychology by those with the intellect to use it. The simple fact stands that males and females are both equally vulnerable to applied psychology such as societal wide cultural norms. There is no evidence to indicate that female brains need to "evolve" more because than the male brain because both genders are evolving together at the same time. The dominance of males in society, as well as the subordination of females is a result of our caveman past. Remember that for the majority of human existence, we lived as hunter-gatherers, and as such, our brain is fine tuned for such a lifestyle. Therefore, any perceived disparity between males and females exist only because our society as moved on from the roots from which we sprung, resulting in a society that favors males over females. Not because the male somehow stems the evolution of females.
Debate Round No. 1
Aerogant

Pro

Males can afford to be more violent, even though the entire human race was created by this Universe specifically to crawl out of its natural gutter it had created, but could not be content with, thus creating love, intelligence, feeling, emotion, morals, mutual understanding and problem solving out of what was originally a primitive, dark and dreary Universe of death, death and death? Okay Darwin; just because you have win in your name doesn't mean you are able to win by making rash generalizations about the human race, while completely ignoring the stages of which the human race rose from as to say "hey, we are a human being; we came after the animal; we are more advanced than the animal; we are growing out of our primitive nature, while demonstrating that we are able to regress back into it when we only fear and cause failure - thus saying that the primitive state for a human being is a regressed state, therefore no arguments can be made to rationalize a state of nature that is now old, and replaced by a greater state of nature that is practiced and potently described by geniuses and great minds alike.

Humans are not biologically commanded anymore like animals, on an experiential level - they are only structured by it. That is why ontology is important to consider as the next-level definition for the human condition. Biology places us in a box for merely animals, with no concern for the intent of expanding and advancing through the old varieties of nature. That's why we have stupid, lazy and cowering people - knowing that does not mean that biology is stronger than ontology - it means ontology requires far more effort than biology. Those that say humans can be biologically described like animals clearly have never attempted to get to know a genius that had long since gone beyond their primitive state. Your way of thinking does not only cause females to not expand with the males - it causes everything else to be held back in fear and failure.

Caveman brain? We don't live in a cave anymore because we are not in that state anymore. Lick your fingers, and turn the page to the next chapter in life.

There is no such thing as "equally", as females are far more suppressed than males (females had to fight for their right; they still did not get much of it). You are clearly suppressing them with your old logic that would have worked back in the days when people were stupid and ignorant in a way that nothing could get by, in that denial wasn't even in existence - just death. In the end, females are boxed in with this biology argument, even though the biology argument is solely behind on the new Universe's traits and customs.

I can tell you right now, that as I type this, there are many females being kicked down by males. While the male is demonstrating weakness and failure, while the female is demonstrating strength and evolution.
kl31

Con

Well, first of all, you make the assumption that the universe created the human race with a purpose. There is no evidence to suggest that we were "created" with a purpose. Such propositions only exist to ease the psyche of humans, and not drawn from direct evidence. In fact, i can sense a religious undertone to your argument. Science does not deal with ontology. Ontology, is extremely metaphysical, and therefore, for all intents and purposes scientifically, it is a moot point.

To say that "humans are not biologically commanded anymore like animals" is an expression of extreme hubris. Humans are subject to the results of millions of years of evolution just like all creatures. I refer to human brain as "caveman brains" because we essentially do have caveman brains. Our subconscious, our deeper reasons behind how we act, or as Sigmund Freud would describe it as the "Id", is deeply rooted in our caveman evolutionary roots. Remember that as a specie, homo sapiens have existed for nearly 100,000 years. Modern "man-like" primates such as Homo Erectus and Cro-Magnum have existed for nearly two million years. Civilization, on the other hand, existed for only around 6000 years. The length of civilization is tiny compared to our time as uncivilized brutes, having to hunt food and gather wild berries to survive. Evolutionary psychology, a valid branch of science unlike ontology, is based on the idea that human behavior has deep roots in our evolutionary past. Are we intelligent beings capable of consciously shedding our evolutionary past and mindset? of course. But one would have to do it consciously, and keenly aware of the reasons behind one's animistic instincts. Still not convinced? The emotion you profess to be of great importance is the result of our caveman brain. Love exists within the limbic system, a portion of the brain that is deeper and older than our prefrontal cortex, which would be required to break free from our animist instincts. Yet you favor love over hatred, even though they are governed by the same portion of the brain, that have evolved in around the same time period. The point i am trying to make is that while humans, and lesser animals (we are animals too), operate on a very similar level. That's why psychologists like B.F. Skinner studied rats in order to gain a deeper understanding of human behavior. However, we are also more intelligent, which means we are capable of breaking free of our instincts. Just because we are capable, doesn't mean society will do so en-mass, and therefore relegating our caveman brain into the past. Whether you like it or not, the mere fact that you experience emotion indicates that there are portions of your brain still governed by instincts.

Note that i never denied that women are not being kicked down by males. I have acknowledged multiple times that we live in a male dominated society. I don't justify the behaviors of men with biology and psychology. It is merely the underlying cause behind it. And in order to change that, you must understand where the behavior comes from.
Debate Round No. 2
Aerogant

Pro

An assumption? Preposterous. If you think this Universe is all accidental and cold towards our emotion, intelligence, responsibility and integrity, then you really should just forfeit this debate, because you are debating with someone that's broken down everything to the cosmic roots; all that's left is the branches and leaves I have yet to touch. We are the Universe, experiencing itself - there's no ifs, ands or buts - to say otherwise is sheer stupidity. This Universe is becoming through us, and our entire existence is based on the evolution pattern from bacteria to fungi to plant to bug to mammal to person - our observation is based on photo receptors which formed billions of years ago before stars were even born.

Humans are not subjected to anything except the Universe. There's nothing else that needs to be said about this, unless you want to resort to more blatant ignorance towards the design of the Universe. This is you: "I'm a human being with limited knowledge of what is grander than myself, because I don't spend my time thinking about the Universe on a level that is beyond Man, so I just do things that make myself feel good and think anything I say is an argument because I base everything off of what I feel and not the facts which govern the Universe". This is me: "I am not a human being, but a mind that is becoming through the thick and thin of space and time, for I am not anymore than information; and such identities which proceed this information are the stimulation of what I have created through my experiences; I do not declare anymore than what already is, or what could be, or what used to been."

I am well aware of the Darwin talk - it's regression. There's no ifs ands or buts. Everything you say applies to the brain-dead society - nothing you say applies to the handful of geniuses.

I am aware of your position - you specifically do not understand this Universe and base everything off of Science and how you feel with no deeper analysis on what "is" - especially the part with how human experience is shaped by the Universe experiencing itself through us, via its chemicals, its laws and its formulas. There's nothing about us that is strictly "esoteric" - we are vessels contained of the cosmic sea, within the cosmic sea itself, like air pockets in a grand sea.
kl31

Con

kl31 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
Aerogant

Pro

The human brain has no gender - the human brain has all the potential.
kl31

Con

kl31 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
Aerogant

Pro

The entire planet is based on both, female and male characteristics - take a look, and see which characteristics are over-running this world; hint, it's not female.
kl31

Con

kl31 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by Aerogant 2 years ago
Aerogant
I said "I believe...", that's a resolution. What is it with you in context people? Do you not understand context?
Posted by Cold-Mind 2 years ago
Cold-Mind
@Aerogant Make a clear resolution please.
Posted by Aerogant 2 years ago
Aerogant
No, because the entire idea of the human experience is so the Universe can advance and expand its entire system of traits and qualities. As it stands, males and females are breaking away from the primitive circle, as evident by how our brains are causing our primitive state to distant itself from us, while when we do fail and regress, that primitive side surfaces because it is no longer the sign of nature - it's the sign of falling back into old nature.
Posted by Wolf_Fang 2 years ago
Wolf_Fang
Or you can just accept that females are biologically meant to be the submissive half of the Homo Sapien species?
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Reasons for voting decision: Con had WAY more convincing arguments
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Reasons for voting decision: Con arguements were much more convincing, as they relied on logic and fact of science, not "female characteristics versus male characteristics of the universe" balderdash. conduct point deducted because of empty rounds.
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Reasons for voting decision: This debate is bias towards men for one. Pro stated that there is no gender, no difference between male and female. Even though we were made with those differences to bring us together; we have the sexual parts to produce life and we have strengths and weaknesses to force ourselves to work together. Not only that but 3 myths or religions state that women are evil: Greek: Have you ever heard of Pandora's Box? Egyptian: Isis (the goddess of Motherhood, love and magic) crafted the first snake to bite Amen-Ra (the god of creation and the sun) to put her husband on the crown. Christianity: Eve got her husband and herself to bite off the tree of good and evil. Even with FF, Con stopped arguing towards Pro because of ridiculousness.
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Reasons for voting decision: Forfeiture