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AnthraSight
Pro (for)
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Dubloon
Con (against)
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Man Can't Know Theistic Truths

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AnthraSight
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 8/24/2012 Category: Religion
Updated: 4 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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AnthraSight

Pro

My first debate will be a quick one since it's more of a question.

My only argument is this,

1) If God is all knowing, then only he can know of himself
2) Mankind are not all knowing
3) Therefore, Man can't know theistic truths

Support for 1:
In order to know anything about a being which knows all, we must be within that very same epistemic position, but if no other being shares such a position with God, then ultimately God is unknowable.

Support for 2:
Humans stand in very limited epistemic positions, we barely know calculus on a given day! So why think we would comprehend a being which calculates the most minuscule things?

Thanks to anyone who can help me out with this argument, I'd like to formulate it better but this is the mere beginning.
Dubloon

Con

Post a new debate with more rounds. Voters, vote tie or not at all.
Debate Round No. 1
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Posted by Ezra777 4 years ago
Ezra777
Proverbs 3:19
The LORD by wisdom hath founded the earth; by understanding hath he established the heavens.
Posted by Ezra777 4 years ago
Ezra777
Proverbs 2:6-7
For the LORD giveth wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding.
Posted by Ezra777 4 years ago
Ezra777
Here are direct revelations from God fulfilling

Acts 2:16-18
But this is what was uttered through the prophet Joel:
"'And in the last days it shall be, God declares, that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh, and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions,
and your old men shall dream dreams;
even on my male servants and female servants

in those days I will pour out my Spirit, and they shall prophesy.

God's website - www.PROPHECIES.org (Surprises)

(Checkout the chapter called 'The Secret Equation of Life' - revelation given by God directly in communion with a former Atheist) --- www.Secondhandprophet.com/toppage5.htm

Revelations (Out-of-Body-experiences) Visitations to Heaven and Hell
www.InsightsofGod.com
www.Spiritlessons.com
www.Prophecy.org
www.Secondhandprophet.com

Daily messages from Jesus posted daily @
www.Youtube.com/Lastrumpet08
Posted by phantom 4 years ago
phantom
I'm having a hard time seeing how pro's logic correlates.
Posted by Dubloon 4 years ago
Dubloon
Wow, it was pretty easy to get everyone to hate me. How much harder will it be to get my first win?
Posted by AnthraSight 4 years ago
AnthraSight
Wow... didn't expect it to end like thayat.
Posted by Man-is-good 4 years ago
Man-is-good
A little bit of common sense now and then makes for the best of men. ;)

(In other words, my previous reasoning was quite flawed and didn't stand any scrutiny after the RFD was cast).
Posted by Man-is-good 4 years ago
Man-is-good
Original RFD: I'll make this a tie, although Con could have--at least in my opinion--responded by questioning Pro's premises, especially the one that "only he can know of himself" which seems to presuppose an ignorance of theistic truths, as well as the supports, but then again, to do so would be to exploit an advantage of the debate structure. The debate is one-sided in terms of arguments provided, but there needs to be a comparison of a number of arguments for any persuasion, to note.
Posted by Man-is-good 4 years ago
Man-is-good
Oops, didn't see that only Con requested a tie..
Posted by yuiru 4 years ago
yuiru
Wow... I guess Pro wins.
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Vote Placed by thett3 4 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Pro argued, con didnt
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Reasons for voting decision: Trolls be trolling.
Vote Placed by wiploc 4 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: An easy win for Con, if he hadn't forfeited.
Vote Placed by Man-is-good 4 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: The fact that Con perfectly had the chance to respond "by questioning Pro's premises, especially the one that 'only he can know of himself' which seems to presuppose an ignorance of theistic truths, as well as the supports, and instead chose not to by ruining the debate is quite the poor conduct, and equals/steeps lower than a forfeit. As for the matter on arguments, I'll only reiterate my position: "there needs to be a..number of arguments" to permit a comparison in terms of persuasive power...
Vote Placed by Stephen_Hawkins 4 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Con is a numpty.
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Reasons for voting decision: Damm*t Dubloon, you threw away a perfectly good shot at winning a debate. No points for You.
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Reasons for voting decision: One round might be silly, but taking the debate to merely criticize Pro is more so. Argument and conduct to Pro.
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Reasons for voting decision: Pro provided a reasonable argument to which Con did not respond.