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ELDRITCH
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Man is always free

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Started: 12/12/2014 Category: Miscellaneous
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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CrimsonStar16

Pro

Nothing can take away man's ability to decide for himself. Not even a prison sentence or an iron cage. So we can say that man is indeed always free to choose. Not to choose is also a choice. Therefore, man is always free.
ELDRITCH

Con

Let's imagine a hypothetical device. This device grants someone complete control over another being, from their thoughts and emotions to their actions. This is absolute imprisonment, where not even one's thoughts are under one's control. This is a hypothetical, but your statement is "Nothing can take away man's ability to decide for himself". This hypothetical device could.

I'm assuming we're discussing the metaphysical idea of freedom, but you may be discussing something entirely different.
Debate Round No. 1
CrimsonStar16

Pro

First off, thank you for the challenge.

Let's say we are discussing freedom in any way, be it metaphysically or not (this is the reason why I placed this debate in Misc. not in Philosophy) but either way would be fine.

How exactly will this device work? Does the victim have consent over what the device is doing to him or does the device make him believe that what he is doing is for himself but is, in truth, for the person behind the device?
The former might not be possible since even his thoughts are under control, but he cannot think that this imprisonment unless he generates the thought to do so.

And if his own self thoughts are also extinguished, then he has ceased to be a man and is now transformed into an object no different from my chair or my computer. His thoughts, his own Self, and his own consciousness of action and Being are nullified, and we conclude that since he lacks these, then he is nothing but an object. So we can say that object's aren't free, but man is still always free, which is the topic of this debate.

Indeed, that hypothetical device does invalidate the statement "Nothing can take away man's ability to decide for himself"
But still, freedom in reality cannot be taken away by something that is hypothetical. People in reality will always choose for himself even if he chooses not to and even if he comes under influences and events; that is what I'm saying.
ELDRITCH

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ELDRITCH forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
CrimsonStar16

Pro

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ELDRITCH

Con

ELDRITCH forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Bgirlctforlife 2 years ago
Bgirlctforlife
I don't mean to be "that guy", but you should say men and women.
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