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Mandatory Drug Testing

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Started: 6/1/2015 Category: Health
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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TheBreadBasket

Con

Drug tests are about 40-51 dollars per individual test. A yearly cost of around 10,000 to 1,000,000 a year. While they might be "effective" they are very costy. At pleasent middle school in ohio, they had wasted about 1 million dollars, and had only got three positives. In a place with some people known to be druggards, you would have gotten more positives. There are chances for a False-Positive or a False-Negative. Meaning that person that did not do drugs is getting convicted, or someone who did drugs is getting convicted. According to WebMD, there is a 5-10% chance of someone getting a False-Positive, and a 10-15% of someone getting a False-Negative. That is too big of a costly zone to ensure that everyone is getting "the safest and most secure saftey they possibly can." Just not worth it, espesially with that wide of an error zone.
jq

Pro

Excited for a good debate TheBreadBasket, good luck!





DRUG TESTS FUTURE BENEFITS

Drug tests, although admittedly expensive today, drug tests will hopefully soon be implemented in the modern school system. Once they are they will be vastly cheaper, and helping students maintain a good enviroment.

DRUG TEST PROS:

Unlike athletes drug tests, these will be minor penalties, like a call to the studenst parents, or a brief suspension. This will give students who are under negitive peer pressure a reason to say "NO" to drugs.


DRUG TEST STUDY


The study, The Effectiveness of Mandatory-Random Student Drug Testing, examined 7 districts that were awarded grants in 2006 by the U.S. Department of Education's Office of Safe and Drug Free Schools to implement mandatory-random drug testing programs in their 36 high schools. The districts volunteered to be in the program and were spread across seven states.


Some 16 percent of students subject to drug testing reported using substances covered by their district's testing in the past 30 days, compared with 22 percent of comparable students in schools without the program


Debate Round No. 1
TheBreadBasket

Con

Heres mine, jq !

While you say that under peer pressure, kids would say NO to drugs, its never really that way. Drugs are an addiction, and according to WebMD, after the first week of drug taking, the druggard get s addicted. There is no stopping that, and just because of some friens, this will not change his opinion.

The negative side is not an advocate for the use of drugs, but we also do not believe in high hopes that the execution of such a policy will curb student drug use as you seem to beleive. I mean let"s face reality " in an era where resources are scare and time is of the essence, a drug testing policy is the least of problems that schools should be worrying about. In 2003, PA ruled that unless schools had sufficient proof of students who used drugs, it was unconstitutional to test them. As a matter of fact, the national court does not reccomend testing all students within a high school, and PA set a limit at 27%. Can we really assume that drug testing in schools is the silver bullet for the prevention of youth substance abuse? No we cannot.

Fact of the matter is that even though each year thousands of students try illicit drugs for the first time, only a small number of them become addicted users. And once someone is addicted, it becomes very difficult to stop. The National academy of sciences found that adolescents used drugs at virtually identical rates as schools that drug tested verses schools that did not. Additionally, alcohol by nature is harder to appear in most drug tests because it does not remain in the blood long enough, yet there is are more adolescent alcoholics than there are adolescent drug addicts. About 50 percent of 12th graders say that they've used any illicit drug at least once in their lifetime, and over 35 percent report using marijuana in the last year. A high school student is old enough to determine right from wrong, and when he/she chooses to consume drugs, that student has made a conscious decison to do so. The most a high school can do to after a student has tested positive is give disciplinary actions. They cannot force a student to stop using the drug.

Research generally agrees that drug testing is ineffective because it fails to deter student drug use and should never be considered as a stand " alone approach to a drug problem. However, research does show that schools who find it an obligation to solve a substance abuse problem, should enforce a positive school climate. A study published in 2013 found that perceived school climate was associated with reduced likelihood of marijuana and cigarette initiation and cigarette escalation, and that student drug testing was not associated with improved drug use outcomes. Rather, the engagement of students in after school programs and providing counseling are more effective ways to refrain adolescents from drugs.

Not to mention that one ground-breaking study, conducted by the University of Michigan in 2003, found that schools with drug-testing policies had slightly higher rates of student drug use.
jq

Pro

Thanks Thebreadbasket!, now to my rebbutal, i will first refute your points, and then clarify a few of my own.
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First my opponent spent his argument refuting my points.
I would like to remind the audience, that as he made the debate, he has the "Burden of Proof", because of this he must prove, Beyond doubt, that drug tests do not help our schooling system.

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You said earlier that

"While you say that under peer pressure, kids would say NO to drugs, its never really that way."

It seems you misread my argument, your statement is exactly what i agree with. Average students will say "YES" to drugs, when under peer pressure, WE CANT HAVE THIS! However If we punish drug use, with minor punishments, Students can say "NO" to drugs.



You also stated that

"Fact of the matter is that even though each year thousands of students try illicit drugs for the first time, only a small number of them become addicted users.

I agree!! this is why we must have drug tests made mandatory to stop them, this could ruin students lives.



[[[ HOW DRUG TESTS STOP STUDENTS]]]

The study, The Effectiveness of Mandatory-Random Student Drug Testing, examined 7 districts that were awarded grants

[1]"Some 16 percent of students subject to drug testing reported using substances covered by their district's testing in the past 30 days, compared with 22 percent of comparable students in schools without the program. Similar patterns were observed for other measures of student-reported substance use, but those differences were not statistically significant."
Even if it is expensive, i argue, that a students life is more important than a few thousand dollars.


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Further more I would like to remind you that the "CON" did not give any evidence, and for all we know, could be making it all up.
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Thanks for reading!!!! and thanks for debating "theBreadBasket"

Back to you!! :D


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Debate Round No. 2
TheBreadBasket

Con

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jq

Pro

:D vote con!
Debate Round No. 3
TheBreadBasket

Con

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jq

Pro

jq forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by trevor32192 2 years ago
trevor32192
I personally think forcing anyone to do a drug test is outrageous. Especially in schools. When in high school i smoked pot on the weekends and vacation for a solid 2 years. I scored within 80-100 on almost all my tests and quizes. The only thing that brought my grade down was homework because i thought it was unnecessary which my test scores proved to be true.
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