The Instigator
Stupidape
Pro (for)
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The Contender
JcMagic2015
Con (against)
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Manmade global climate change is real and a threat.

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Started: 8/15/2016 Category: Education
Updated: 3 months ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Stupidape

Pro

I have noticed that a surprising number of people still think global climate change is a hoax. I hope to destroy some of that myth. Pope Francis recognizes climate change and calls for swift action. [0]

Impact: I think the Pope knows what he is doing and thus man-made global climate change is real and a threat.

The scientific angle, inconvenient truth [1]. Impact, scientific evidence clearly backs up this claim in the documentary an inconvenient truth. [1]


Sources
0. http://www.nytimes.com...
1. http://www.imdb.com...
JcMagic2015

Con

I will agree that humans have had a measurable (not stating how measurable) effect on the Earth. However, where I disagree is the threat. The Earth has been SIGNFICANTLY hotter in the past (and more dynamic for that matter), see http://www.wrsc.org....

Do I think being "more green" is helpful, sure. However, we are not destroying the planet to the degree the stated "documentary" says. Rather than an inconvenient truth, an inaccurate partial-truth. Let's look at what's happened in the 10 years since this mess was released. http://dailycaller.com... sums it up VERY well.
Debate Round No. 1
Stupidape

Pro

My opponent is correct the Earth's temperature has been hotter a long time ago. This falls into the stage 4a of climate change denial. [2] Meaning my opponent accepts the first part of the resolution but rejects the second half.

The problem is not the temperature itself, but the rate of change. High rate of temperature change historically has lead to mass extinction. In summary, species including humans will struggle to adapt to such changes, if adaptation to such a change is even possible. [3]

Impact, high rate of temperature change equals mass extinctions, which are a threat.


Next my opponent uses information sourced from an ultra conservative website called the dailycaller.com I will first attack the source of the argument and then the argument itself. The dailycaller is an ultra-conservative website. You can verify this yourself by seeing the news story against Hilary placed first on the dailycaller.com.


"ultra-conservative Daily Caller" [4]


Next, lets take a look at the argument. Basically this is a reiteration of the first argument and again falls into stage 4a of denial. [2]

Yes, not all the predictions came true. Yet, the overall premise, that co2 and temperature are rising an alarming rates is true. Thank you for taking the time to debate. I think it takes real courage to speak what you perceive is the truth against the majority.

Sources.
2. http://grist.org...
3. http://grist.org...
4. http://www.newscorpse.com...
JcMagic2015

Con

I like how you reference a democrat to put doubt into my "conservative" site. This is a scientific issue, not a political one.

Supporting evidence that the claims of manmade global climate change are dramatically overstated:
We've seen record total amounts of ice, snow, and cold.
Polar bears are thriving.
Oceans are rising much less than predicted.
-Further note here. I've shown multiple times that the predictions of those claiming manmade climate change is going to destroy the world have been incorrect. If these predictions based on the scientific findings are incorrect, perhaps some of their overall claim is also incorrect. If I said something was going to happen and here's what we expect to see to show it is happening, but then none of my predictions came true, you might assume my overall premise/hypothesis is also incorrect.

Again, I'm not saying manmade climate change is not real. We are warming the client. I, again, take issue with the "threat" that everyone is blowing out of proportion.

Further evidence:
31,000 Scientists signed a petition saying they do not support CATASTROPIC global warming. http://www.petitionproject.org... (including over 9,000 with PhD's. Perhaps there's more to the story?

Nature still produces FAR more CO2 than man. 2014 NASA satellite supports this. Everything portraying us destroying the world centers years earlier without adequate research and a documentary (cited by my opponent) where it's shown to have inaccuracies and flat out lies to get the agenda across.

Urban Heat Island effect leads to falsely high readings which global warming catastrophists run with.
Debate Round No. 2
Stupidape

Pro

"I like how you reference a democrat to put doubt into my "conservative" site. This is a scientific issue, not a political one."

Yes, it is. Global climate change is one of the dividing lines between liberals and conservatives.

"Nature still produces FAR more CO2 than man. 2014 NASA satellite supports this. Everything portraying us destroying the world centers years earlier without adequate research and a documentary (cited by my opponent) where it's shown to have inaccuracies and flat out lies to get the agenda across." JcMagic2015

Climate change is complicated. The overall trend is higher temperatures and higher amounts of CO2. The rate is changing fast enough that its dangerous.


Couldn't get first graph, still haven't figured out pictures on this website.
https://images.duckduckgo.com...
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Tempature graph.

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This is a much deeper topic and, i'll say again, this is a scientific debates. Just because politicians have used it to pick sides, doesn't mean it has to be political.

I don't feel you've sufficiently countered my points and I'll go a step further. I've found a nice article showing that it's a much deeper issue than what you have alluded to and there is plenty of evidence that, while we are increasing CO2 in the atmosphere, you're idea of threat does not have enough to stand on.

http://www.americantraditions.org...(CO2)%20Does%20Not%20Cause%20Global%20Warming.htm
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Stupidape 3 months ago
Stupidape
Also, many people have died from man-made climate change already.

"Climate-change disasters kill around 300,000 people a year and cause about $125 billion in economic losses, mainly from agriculture, a think-tank led by former U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan reported Friday. " [0]

" in a general context where the anthropogenic contribution to climate change is becoming more plausible, led to an excess of 14,947 deaths in France, between August 4 and 18, 2003." [1]

0. http://www.nbcnews.com...
1. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com...
Posted by Stupidape 3 months ago
Stupidape
We are in the middle of a sixth mass extinction. Every time Co2 & temperature fluctuated rapidly in the past mass extinctions occurred.
Posted by Iamsmarter 3 months ago
Iamsmarter
I can deny it. This idiot posted 100 years of "evidence". Are you joking? 100 years is absolutely nothing on the scale of the life of the Earth. To suggest that these miniscule fluctuations when compared with those that occur over millions of years (by comparison, just a tiny bump in the data) are in fact a sign of global catastrophe, is absolutely stupid.
Posted by JcMagic2015 3 months ago
JcMagic2015
No one can deny the climate is changing. I think people get too wrapped up in semantics. Look at any measurements taken of global temperature. The climate is ALWAYS changing. I think what most on the climate change side miss is the "deniers" are stating that it's not as catastrophic as something like the inconvenient truth would lead one to believe.
Posted by Stupidape 3 months ago
Stupidape
"Truism - a statement or claim that is generally accepted as true or correct."

Did you have a point? There are lots and lots of climate change deniers out there. Many climate change deniers are elected politicians. I wouldn't exactly call climate change a truism.
Posted by DavidMancke 3 months ago
DavidMancke
Truism - a statement or claim that is generally accepted as true or correct.

Example; "Genocide is immoral."
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