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TheSatiricalAnarchist
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Many homos are playing some gay friendly heteros for fools by turning some gay, deceiving them, ect.

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Started: 11/1/2015 Category: Education
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BlackHomophobicAtheists

Pro

Round 1
Pro states claims
Con challenges pro's claims

Round 2
Pro disputes con's challenge from round 1
Con defends his or her challenge from round 1

Round 3
Conclusions

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No new claims in rounds 2 and 3.

Argument

1. Many gays have fooled the foolish gay friendly heterosexuals into believing that all gays are born gay.

The largest and most reliable study on twins shows homosexuality is caused by mostly unique reactions to enironmental factors including but not limited to experimentation, peer pressure, gay pornography, bad experiences with the opposite sex, sexual abuse, childhood abuse, childhood gender nonconformity, biological randomness,ect.

If you don't believe me, download the study for yourself

Neither Genes nor Choice:
Same-Sex Attraction Is Mostly a Unique Reaction to Environmental Factors
[Journal of Human Sexuality 3:81-114 (2011)]
by Neil E. Whitehead8

2. Some gay friendly heterosexuals are befriending some gays but have no clue that many gays COMMONLY develop crushes on their heterosexual same sex friends.

Google this
'5 types of straight crushes' by gay teen expert Ellen Friedrich

Here's a quote from the gay teen expert 'Ellen Friedrich'
"It is really common for gay teens to develop crushes on close straight friends"

3. Meanwhile, many gays are creating blogs such as 'how to seduce a straight guy in 8 easy steps'. Lesbians have people called 'recruiters' who go around turning heterosexual women gay. Gays are all over the internet on blogs and forums giving each other advise on how to sexually seduce their clueless, gay friendly heterosexual friends.

4. Many homophobes such as myself are constantly being bashed, insulted and labeled 'secretly "gay" by gays because WE are too smart to be manipulated and fall for the tricks, lies and gay propaganda. In reality, it is mostly the gay friendly heterosexuals who are getting turned out by gays. After all, they're the ones hanging out with gays, opening up emotionally to gays and in many cases getting intoxicated with gays.

5. To put the icing on the cake, Gay teen expert Ellen Friedrichs admits that gays COMMONLY develope crushes on their same sex heterosexual "friends".

But when some heterosexuals refuse to befriend gays, we're labeled "bigots" and "homophobes" THINK ABOUT IT . It's like high school boys labeling Girls "sluts" for not hanging out with them and giving it up

What's funny is, the study I cited clearly conveys 'childhood gender nonconformity' is significant as to why many people end up gay. Gays have launched a social war on traditional gender roles .

Keep in mind, I never said all heterosexuals can be manipulated into going gay. The study says unique reactions to environmental factors are the causes of homosexuality. Therefore, some heterosexuals can be turned out into going gay especially when they allow gays in their lives to have an impact and partial control of their environment

I never said all gays try to turn stupid gay friendly heterosexuals gay but a significant amount will attempt it.
TheSatiricalAnarchist

Con

I would like to begin by thanking, you, Pro for this debate opportunity. I accept the debate structure, as well, and wish you the best of luck in this debate.

[1] Homosexuality is a natural occurrence in the world, and not just within people. There have been numerous conducted studies throughout the past that have, in fact, validated and confirmed that animals experience homosexuality just as well as humans do. Over 50 different species of common wildlife seem to have these experiences and it is not caused by environmental conditions nor by social pressures.

The discovery of animal homosexuals has seemingly been more prevalent among giraffes than realistically any other species of animals, and other animals include dolphins and such other mammals.

https://en.wikipedia.org...

Exposingtruth.com has a great article, as a matter of fact, on why homosexuality is natural within people, and why the very foundation of homophobia is the product of insufficient information and ignorance. In fact, 20.8% of hate crimes are committed out of sexually-oriented biased.

http://www.exposingtruth.com...

Furthermore, such studies and such researches conducted not only by scientists but by humanitarians have also proven that homosexuality is in fact a genetically connected thing. The brain controls what turns an individual on; what stimulates one's hormones is dependent on the chemical messages sent from the brain throughout the body based on sexual stimuli. However, hormones are also not purely sexual things and hormones may be stimulated by other experiences [fear, embarrassment, anger, etc.], it is entirely natural that homosexuals are attracted to the same-sex, as within that individual their brain is indicating that their body naturally reacts with attraction to people who just so happen to be of the same sex.

http://www.livescience.com...
http://serendip.brynmawr.edu...
http://www.cerebromente.org.br...


[2] Homosexuals cannot "turn someone gay" based on the above reasoning; sexuality is determined by genetic and neurological patterns in hormonal stimuli and such other, not simply by adapting to the evironmental or social conditions one is faced with. As was stated in the comments, if someone is "turned gay", they had been gay from the start. A common source of error among this argument is that sexuality requires exploration to finally figure out [or at least mostly], and thus some conclude that this implies sexual experiences and manipulation by partners will influence this "discovery" to lean one way or the other, which is simply untrue.

http://www.abbi.org.au...

In fact it has been said that science has come to the conclusion that people are born with a neutral sexuality and that as they age [and some come to their own conclusions at early ages, others do later], they will make the discovery due to the mere fact that they are born with undeveloped parts of the brain, hormones, etc. and as they age their bodies will develop more and will achieve a chemical balance. This is suggested in the below link:

http://socialinqueery.com...

In fact, no credible sources of information that I have been able to find have uncovered that homosexuality is influenced by environmental or social conditions at all.
Debate Round No. 1
BlackHomophobicAtheists

Pro

"Homosexuality is a natural occurrence in the world, and not just within people. There have been numerous conducted studies throughout the past that have, in fact, validated and confirmed that animals experience homosexuality just as well as humans do. Over 50 different species of common wildlife seem to have these experiences and it is not caused by environmental conditions nor by social pressures"

1. First of all, there hasn't been any studies on how animals become gay. There hasn't been a scientific investigation specifically about environmental factors effecting animal's sexual orientation and what percentage of animals became gay because of environmental factors.

2. Even if animals are born gay, the human species and non-human species don't share the same biological anatomy, brain and immune system. Therefore, just because animals are born gay doesn't mean humans are born gay.

3. There is evidence that animals become gay because of environmental factors

"Mercury poisoning makes male birds homosexual"

https://www.newscientist.com...

"Male monkeys that are rejected from "normal" monkey society bond together in a homosexual clan to relive the psychological drive for humping (People Daily). Basically the drive for sex is so intense that when younger monkeys, inadequate monkeys, and weaker monkeys get kicked out of the regular heterosexual circle, they ban together to have homosexual relations"

http://www.actforlibraries.org...

4. Many species also practice cannibalism, mental disorders pedophilia and incest. Using your logic, we should embrace incest, pedophilia and cannibalism among humans because animals do it.

5. The human anatomy SPECIFICALLY does not sit well with homosexual behavior. UNLIKE homosexual non-human species, homosexual humans are far more likely to trigger deadly std epidemics, spread deadly STDS and have much higher rates of deadly stds. Better yet, gay animals don't even used condoms. Gay humans use condoms but they still have much much higher deadly STD rates than gay animals. That means the human anatomy specifically does not sit well with homosexual behavior. This could explain why homophobia exists in the first place as a defense system. It also explains why homophobia only exist among humans. It is because humans are the only species who need homophobia as a defense system since the human anatomy specifically does not sit well with homosexual behavior but that's a different debate. It's irrelevant to this particular argument.

My source in which proves you're wrong is far more reliable than youts because it is the largest study ever done on homosexuality anda its study on twins in which is the best way to determine if homosexuality is environmental or genetic

The largest and most reliable study on twins shows homosexuality is caused by mostly unique reactions to enironmental factors including but not limited to experimentation, gay pornography, bad experiences with the opposite sex, sexual abuse, childhood abuse, childhood gender nonconformity, biological randomness ,ect.

If you don't believe me, download the study for yourself

Neither Genes nor Choice:
Same-Sex Attraction Is Mostly a Unique Reaction to Environmental Factors
[Journal of Human Sexuality 3:81-114 (2011)]
by Neil E. Whitehead8

Gay teen expert 'Ellen Friedrich' admits that some gay teens have turned their straight crush friends gay.

Google this
'5 types of straight crushes'
...read #5

Here's a quote from the gay teen expert 'Ellen Friedrich'
"It is really common for gay teens to develop crushes on close straight friends""

A study 'late life Lesbians' by Lisa diamond shows some women were truly straight but fell in love with a woman and turned gay

http://wbur-cardonations.org...
TheSatiricalAnarchist

Con

Thank you, Pro. I will now be moving on to my rebuttals.

[1] "There hasn't been a scientific investigation specifically about environmental factors effecting animal's sexual orientation and what percentage of animals became gay because of environmental factors." Really? Because you make the claim that we have no idea why animals gain their sexual orientation and then pasted in two different links to two different articles doing exactly what you said we as humans couldn't possibly do. Now, as for your "mercury causes birds to be gay" article, National Geographic did an article on the same scientific claim. And interestingly enough, it states that the animals do not turn homosexual, but they instead have behavioural patterns by which they pick males over females. They built a nest, performed sexual intercourse and remained with one another for the usual one month pattern. But the cause of this "sexuality change" is not simply because homosexuality is some kind of physical dysfunction one gets in reaction to a bad chemical imbalance triggered by the environment, but because two reasons: 1) the birds were incapable of reproduction due to the poisoning and 2) the chemical had thrown off the hormonal balance the birds once had, making them unsure of themselves, and the instead chose to side with having a male partner. There are some cases where animals and humans have similar anatomies and such other, take for instance the comparison between some of the more common primates and homo sapiens, some of these things include intellectual patterns, sexual activities and biological similarities [including brain size].

http://listverse.com...

A study was done that was quite large (with 818 participants, all of whom were homosexual) in order to determine whether or not homosexuality had any direct links to genetics. What was found, is quite interesting.

http://www.natureworldnews.com...


http://www.iflscience.com...


[2] "Many species also practice cannibalism, mental disorders pedophilia and incest. Using your logic, we should embrace incest, pedophilia and cannibalism among humans because animals do it."

I'm not saying that at all, you're trying to strawman this. Homosexuality is not doing damage like cannibalism [potentially] pedophilia and [normally] incest will. Homosexuality is simply a sexuality that is just as natural as heterosexuality. Homosexual behaviours do not harm people, they are not eating people, raping them or having sexual affairs with their families automatically because they are gay. Yet at the same time there is only so much we can do when animals experience those things, though I do agree they shouldn't be accepted. However, your comparison is still far-fetched, homosexuality is not malicious.

"The human anatomy SPECIFICALLY does not sit well with homosexual behavior. UNLIKE homosexual non-human species, homosexual humans are far more likely to trigger deadly std epidemics, spread deadly STDS and have much higher rates of deadly stds"

Pro makes this far fetched statement but has no source cited. In fact, the "homosexuals cause and spread AIDS/HIV" myth has been existent for a long time. And the actual answer to what caused the spread of the AIDS epidemic is quite simple: AIDS is in fact an archaic virus that was started by colonists who consumed monkey brains.

http://www.thenazareneway.com...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk...


Now another important thing to note is that just because gay people are more likely to contract a disease, does not mean they actually will. As the world adapts and its technologies advance, the likelihood of contracting an STI/STD will only substantially lower. The means of having safe sexual interactions is much higher now than it was thirty years ago, and it will continue to be this way as time progresses and new ways of preventing STI/STD's and pregnancy are discovered. However, the most recent study that actually supported the claim that "gay men are 44 times more likely to contract HIV" was performed in 2002, leading one with common sense to believe the information is outdated - that study was thirteen years ago and the study was not done just with an analysis of the AIDS statistics, but with the statistics of all other STI/STD contraction rates among the gay and bisexual male populace.

[3] As I had addressed before, someone cannot be "turned straight/gay/etc" by a friend. If that person was willing to participate in homosexual interactions or were attracted to a homosexual person, that obviously they were not straight. A human's sexuality is not black and white, it is complicated, it is a journey and it is a struggle.

http://brutereason.net...

Your link for your 'late life Lesbians' source is also broken, and leads to something about car donations, which must be some kind of gag. I'm not interested and that is completely irrelevant to your claim and the subject at hand.
Debate Round No. 2
BlackHomophobicAtheists

Pro

In conclusion,

Con's entire argument is based on false dillemma fallacies and straw man fallacies. Therefore, there is no way that con could win this argument if the voters are fair. Keep in mind, my claim clearly conveys "SOME " heterosexuals can be turned gay. I never said all. Con is arguing as if I claimed ALL heterosexuals can be turned gay. The bottom line is, I'm far more logical as a homophobic atheist

False Dilemma. Definition: A limited number of options (usually two) is given, while in reality there are more options.

Con is insinuating since homosexuality occurs in many non human species, it's impossible for environmental factors to cause some HUMANS to turn gay. This is CLEARLY flawed logic.

Just because homosexuality occurs in non-human species doesnt mean environmental factors cant cause some humans to turn gay. Also, con lied about my source regarding birds turning gay. Con claims the birds don't turn gay and the birds just show homosexual behavior patterns. This is false because the very name of the article is "Mercury poisoning makes male birds homosexual". The author stated " the male birds are mating with other male birds instead of female birds. It doesn't get any gayer than that. The birds clearly turn homosexual because they consumed mercury poisoning. This means environmental factors does cause some non human species to turn gay. In nother words, anyone can turn these birds gay by giving them mercury poison.

The study I cited is far more reliable and valid compared to con's sources

Studying twins is by far the best way to determine if a behavior is caused by genetics or environmental factors. Not only did the study I cited use the best method to determine if homosexuality is genetic or environmental,, it is by far the largest and most extensive. The study shows unique reactions to environmental factors is what cause people to turn gay. In other words, there is a large variety of ways people turn gay but among some of those reasons are gay pornography, experimentation, sexual abuse, bad experiences with the opposite sex, biological randomness, childhood gender nonconformity and more. Being the fact that experimentation and gay pornography can turn a some people gay, all it takes is a homosexual to persuade the right non-homophobic heterosexual friend to experience homosexuality in watch gay pornography then that heterosexual can possibly turn gay.

I would like to advise the voters to Google "5 types of straight crushes" and make sure you read number 5

The gay teen expert 'Ellen Friedrich' clearly conveys that some straight crushes turn into relationships. In other words, some gays end up in a romantic relationship with a heterosexual who obviously turned gay.

I've proven without a reasonable doubt that at least some heterosexuals can be turned gay. All con did was mention gay animals, lie about my source and posted links of studies that are inferior and far less reliable then the study I cited.

When con post around 3, verify his claims because he has proved that he will lie

Neither Genes nor Choice:
Same-Sex Attraction Is Mostly a Unique Reaction to Environmental Factors
[Journal of Human Sexuality 3:81-114 (2011)]
by Neil E. Whitehead8
TheSatiricalAnarchist

Con

TheSatiricalAnarchist forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by whiteflame 1 year ago
whiteflame
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7 points to Con. Reasons for voting decision: I give conduct to Pro due to con's FF, but I feel like Con demonstrates a better argument here. Con states how homosexuality is natural amongst people and other animal species, and gives examples of such. But even then that wasn't the claim: the claim was that "Many homos are playing some gay friendly heteros for fools by turning some gay, deceiving them, ect." and Con has disproved that by stating that it's not possible to turn someone straight gay. Thus, arguments go to Con. Sources to Con as well for the invalidity of some of Pro's sources.

[*Reason for removal*] The voter needs to do more than simply state that one side's sources were invalid. It's unclear what the reasoning is to support this view, and the voter needed to explain it.
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Posted by BlackHomophobicAtheists 1 year ago
BlackHomophobicAtheists
Even if you had have forfeited two rounds, some biased faggot would have still chosen you as a winner. This site is joke. It just makes me hate gays even more. The more I learn about them, the more I hate them. Gays are just deceitful by nature. That's why they've been hated for thousands of years.
Posted by TheSatiricalAnarchist 1 year ago
TheSatiricalAnarchist
I apologize, I guessed I missed the final debate round. You'll have to excuse me, for I have been incredibly busy with the performing arts and that has consumed most of my time. If you would like, I will post it here...?
Posted by BlackHomophobicAtheists 1 year ago
BlackHomophobicAtheists
Sciguy,

You spewed a straw man fallacy. I never said its not good. My point is, without the link, it doesn't automatically make the soure invalid. Claiming a person's entire argument is invalid because he posted sources without links is extremely biased and flawed. Citations can be copied, pasted and Googled.

Also, every link with .com isn't invalid.
Posted by Sciguy 1 year ago
Sciguy
Ah but there you are wrong! It is good to have a link to cite your sources in a debate AND study. I see your point however, I would not say myself that would need a link to a site.
Posted by BlackHomophobicAtheists 1 year ago
BlackHomophobicAtheists
Sciguy,

Posting A link is not mandatory when citing a study.. It doesn't determine the validity of the study

An example is this citation

Neither Genes nor Choice:
Same-Sex Attraction Is Mostly a Unique Reaction to Environmental Factors
[Journal of Human Sexuality 3:81-114 (2011)]
by Neil E. Whitehead8
Posted by Sciguy 1 year ago
Sciguy
I know what I am going to do when this debate is over, vote. Remember Pro, I am your guardian at the moment on DDO and I am here to remind you that you need to use .org .gov .edu or .eu websites to have a reliable source. Do not use a .com or a wiki site!

Looking forward to see who wins.
Posted by BlackHomophobicAtheists 1 year ago
BlackHomophobicAtheists
No because im homophobic. Even gays admit that homophobia ruins their chances of seducing heterosexuals
Posted by MagicAintReal 1 year ago
MagicAintReal
If you can be turned gay, you're gay, thus not a gay friendly hetero.
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