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imabench
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The Contender
barebels58
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Marco Rubio has a better chance at becoming the GOP candidate than Rand Paul

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imabench
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 5/10/2015 Category: Miscellaneous
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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imabench

Pro

I believe, and shall argue, that Marco Rubio has a better chance of winning the GOP nomination for president in 2016 than Rand Paul. Con shall argue otherwise.

This debate is NOT about who SHOULD be the nominee, just who is more LIKELY to be the nominee.

First round is OPTIONAL acceptance only. If Con decides to argue in the first round though he must then not post counter arguments in the last round.

4 rounds, 4,000 characters.
barebels58

Con

I accept this debate as Con and will only use the first round as acceptance.
Debate Round No. 1
imabench

Pro

The case for Marco Rubio over Rand Paul

1) Polling

http://www.realclearpolitics.com...

As you can see from the chart above, Rubio's momentum and popularity as a candidate have MASSIVELY increased over the past few days, whereas Rand Paul has now fallen to fourth place behind Rubio, Jeb Bush, and Scott Walker. If the GOP race started today with all candidates in the poll running, Rubio would already be holding a 4 point lead over Rand Paul, indicating he would have better odds at becoming the nominee.



2) Match-up against Hillary

Rubio is down against Hillary by about 7.2%
http://www.realclearpolitics.com...

Rand Paul on the other hand is down against Hillary by about 7.7%
http://www.realclearpolitics.com...

The GOP hates Hillary more then it likes any of its own candidates, so if the goal here for the GOP is to beat Hillary (Which it is), then Rubio is more likely to beat out Rand Paul for the nomination since Rubio's odds of beating Hillary are better than Rand Paul's



3) Florida

In the primary races, the candidate who gets the most delegates is the one who ends up being nominated. Florida is the home state of Marco Rubio, and Florida carries a MASSIVE number of delegates, which means Florida is way more likely to throw its massive number of votes to Rubio than it is to Rand Paul when looking at these two candidates, which will mean that Rubio's chances of becoming the nominee would skyrocket, while Paul's chances would grow immeasurably harder.



4) Iowa

Iowa is the first race and always gives the winner of the Iowa caucus a massive amount of momentum in the rest of the election. Rubio currently has a 2 and a half point lead over Paul

http://www.realclearpolitics.com...

If the results in Iowa hold constant, Rubio will get more votes than Paul, and have a better chance at catching momentum in the opening of the race.



5) New Hampshire

New Hampshire comes after the Iowa Race, and in New Ham[shire, Rubio's popularity is on the rise, whereas Rand Paul's is not: http://www.saintpetersblog.com...



6) Rubio has widespread support among the GOP

"Seventy-four percent of GOP voters could see themselves supporting Mr. Rubio — the highest among the candidates and potential candidates included in the poll"

http://www.washingtontimes.com...

Rubio has the ability to appeal to more Republican voters than Rand Paul, which means as weaker candidates get weeded out in the primaries, those candidates' support base is more likely to support Rubio over Rand Paul



7) Rand Paul is a gaffe machine

Rand Paul has a knack for saying stupid stuff on a regular basis, as you can see below:

http://www.washingtonpost.com...
http://www.politico.com...
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com...

These gaffes, the first of many more to come, can and will quickly alienate a good chunk of voters from his base, while Marco Rubio is a much safer bet when it comes to not saying something stupid very often. This will give him better odds of maintaining his support as the primaries progress, whereas Paul's gaffe making is a huge liability to his campaign as the election cycle progresses
barebels58

Con

barebels58 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
imabench

Pro

You whore....
barebels58

Con

barebels58 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
barebels58

Con

barebels58 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by Zarroette 1 year ago
Zarroette
Alright...
Posted by imabench 1 year ago
imabench
Give me about 10 minutes, my dog just took a sh** on the floor and I need to clean it up
Posted by Zarroette 1 year ago
Zarroette
Can we talk, Mr Bench?
Posted by Wylted 1 year ago
Wylted
I don't think Hillary can win a presidential election. She has too much baggage, and ultimately I don't think she'll win the Democratic nomination, despite being a favorite at the moment.

She's also a mean b1tch, while her husband was down to Earth and an actually pretty decent guy, despite his being misinformed on philosophy and not holding the correct political position.
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Reasons for voting decision: Con FF'd the debate quite rudely, made no args, and gave no sources...so yep Pro wins.