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Marijuana Legalization

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Started: 3/23/2015 Category: Society
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StalinIncarnate

Pro

As Stated.
Courtnic2

Con

Thank you for posting this topic. It's a relevant and controversial issue. I look forward to debating it with you.
Debate Round No. 1
StalinIncarnate

Pro

Kudos to my opponent.

I would like to introduce how Marijuana would function in society.
Just as is today, I would argue for continuation of Marijuana to be sold in Regulated and Government approved facilities(Dispensaries).

CONTENTION 1.Tax Revenue

-Tax Revenue is the main point I wish to address, and definitively the most important. As of writing this, Marijuana is legal in 4 US states(Alaska, Colorado, Washington, and Oregon), and Profits are absolutely tremendous!
In the First Month of Legal usage, Colorado banked over 2 Million dollars in sales! Imagine replicated results in all 50 US states. Remember, that was in One month, in a single state.
-Expenditure of Overall budget would decrease significantly. It's insurmountable(Not a Hyperbole) to how much Money the US spends on Contraband(Specifically Marijuana) opposition. Every year, Tens of Millions are liquidated on Federal/State court cases for Marijuana Possession, Sales, Cultivation, and dispensing of Marijuana Paraphernalia, along with Police activity in Looking for, Capturing, and Destruction of Marijuana, Product that could be taxed.
-Wastes Police time and occupancy. If all time spent on the Seizure of marijuana was reimbursed into over 60 other forms of much Harsher and serious crime(1), I have no doubt in my mind America, and the world would be safer.
(https://www.google.ca......)

CONTENTION 2.Marijuana is Less addictive then Most Recreational and Illegal Drugs, aswell les Dangerous and unhealthy

Marijuana is one the least addictive narcotics/Substances currently known to man. In the link provided below(0), to the upwards of 17% of all individuals who smoke Marijuana Will become addicted. Comparing this to the addiction/dependency rates of Alcohol(1), Tobacco(2), Cocaine(3), Heroin(4), and Ecstasy(5), It's almost trivial. I will ask in good faith you read these documents.

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Now, this Doesn't of course Make Marijuana a Safe and healthy substance, but Social programs we have instituted right now are helping those who Addicted/Need Secondary help. About 9 to 17% of those who smoke it will become addicted, which is remarkably low in comparison to all said above.

CONTENTION 3. Keeping it Illegal is Expensive
As much as 20 Billion USD is Being put in to active prohibition(6), and to what Avail? People who want to smoke it can, It isn't very difficult to obtain Marijuana, be it Medicinal or contraband, and is Keeping illegal really helping anybody? Let's take that 20B and Reimburse it into Social and Education programs.
(6)(https://www.google.ca...)

CONTENTION 4. Reduction of Crime

Marijuana is extremely lucrative, no questions to why Gangs Globally Grow, Market, Traffic, and Sell it. Decriminalizing would Take away Money from Gangs, and Put it back into the People.

CONTENTION 5. Medicinal Purposes

Marijuana is Amazing diverse in Treatment of Conditions and diseases.
-Can Help sufferers living with Glaucoma(7)
-Marijuana DOES NOT impact Lung function, and could even Increase lung capacity, interestingly enough.(8)
- Those suffering Epileptic Seizures could see Decreases in Frequency and effect.(9)
- It destroys Compounds in Cancer Cells that duplicate and spread, effectively "Killing" Cancer. (10)
- Envokes a State of Relaxation and Calmness, reducing Anxiety.(11)
- Slow Progression of Alzheimer's Disease.(12)
- Lessens Arthritis Pain.(13)

There are WAY more Positive Reasons to Consume Marijuana, but the list would Be Unfairly long for you to address.

(7)(http://www.livescience.com...)
(8)(http://healthland.time.com...)
(9)(http://www.news.vcu.edu...)
(10)(http://www.huffingtonpost.com...)
(11)(http://www.health.harvard.edu...)
(12)(http://pubs.acs.org...)
(13)(http://www.huffingtonpost.com...)

Have Fun Refuting Con, and let us have a Good Debate!
Courtnic2

Con

Sorry this took me so long. You gave me a lot to chew on.

Note: I wasn't able to open your links. All that came up was the Google Canada search engine. No pages. Sorry.

Contention 1 Rebuttal:
Your first contention is fair. Colorado IS making quite of bit of money off the 28% sales tax they put on marijuana. But you brought up the wrong issue. The important issue is what they"re actually doing with the money they"re bringing in. Statistics show that Colorado has amassed $36.5 million in marijuana taxes. But less than 25% of that is actually being used for governmental purposes such as constructing schools. The rest of it, according to the Denver Post, is being fed right back into the marijuana system.

Your other two points in this contention seem to say that legalizing marijuana would save money and police time. Let me start by saying that this just isn't true. In Colorado, for example, police law enforcement was actually boosted. This was to ensure that no one would consume marijuana in public places (still illegal) and to keep civic anxiety low. Also, other states such as Oklahoma and Nebraska are dealing with greater law enforcement costs due to the illegal traversing of marijuana into those states. Currently, those states are suing Colorado and are actively working to rule marijuana legalization unconstitutional.

Contention 2 Rebuttal:
Saying that marijuana isn't as harmful or addictive as Tobacco, Cocaine, Heroin etc. isn't saying much. Simply because it isn't as bad doesn't make it good and it certainly doesn't give a great argument for its legalization.

I"d also like to bring up the fact that marijuana is considered a "gateway drug." The CASA completed a study showing that people who used gateway drugs (alcohol and tobacco included), were, at tops, 322 times more likely to end up using cocaine. Almost 90% of people abusing cocaine have used tobacco, alcohol, and marijuana first. Statistically speaking, if we make marijuana legal, the use of these other drugs will explode. We will end up with a more dangerous society than when we began.

Contention 3 Rebuttal:
Again, I state, law enforcement was increased in these areas. There is still so much about marijuana that is illegal. It"s illegal to consume in public, illegal to take across a state border, and it"s also illegal for people under 21 to buy or consume. The CASA study referred to previously reported that 12.6% of eighth graders, 24.4% of tenth graders, and a staggering 35.3% of twelfth graders use marijuana. John Jackson, the president of the Colorado Association of Chiefs of Police said, "There"s a common belief that by legalizing it [marijuana], you will get rid of the black market. I can resoundly say that the black market is alive and doing well."

My point is this: Legalizing marijuana would still leave a large subset of the population for whom it would still be illegal. Law enforcement would have just as hard of a time regulating marijuana then as they do now.

Contention 4 Rebuttal:
I don"t think that would happen. I must again mention the large subset of people for whom marijuana would remain illegal. With marijuana so available, adult dealers could literally go store to store buying an ounce of weed at a time. That"s one option. But dealers don"t have to buy it from the store. There"s still money in the underground business because dealers can keep importing their marijuana the way the always have without having to, "levy 28 percent in state taxes." (John Jackson) Jackson goes on to say that it would actually still be cheaper to buy marijuana from a dealer than from a store. And why would the dealers care if it was still illegal if they made more money? This is why the black market is still alive and doing well.

Contention 5 Rebuttal:
This contention is a bit off topic. Medicinal marijuana is not illegal. I might also add though, that marijuana hasn't been studied enough yet to fully determine the positive and negative effects of taking it.

Final Statement:
Remember when cigarettes were cool? Let me ask, what happened to that? How would marijuana be any different? I"ll answer: it wouldn't. It would go in and come out. Then what you would have left is a harmful and potential dangerous drug deeply embedded in the percentage of society affected by it. Basically, when it"s no longer cool, all you've got left is the hard addicts. Is that what we want?
Debate Round No. 2
StalinIncarnate

Pro

The links work for me, oddly enough o-o.

"The important issue is what they"re actually doing with the money they"re bringing in. Statistics show that Colorado has amassed $36.5 million in marijuana taxes. But less than 25% of that is actually being used for governmental purposes such as constructing schools. The rest of it, according to the Denver Post, is being fed right back into the marijuana system."

You cannot ignore the fact Millions are being re-distributed into Social Programs and such, rather then being wasted on Court time and Police Arrests. Where is this stat you provide? Please Show references.

"Your other two points in this contention seem to say that legalizing marijuana would save money and police time. Let me start by saying that this just isn't true. In Colorado, for example, police law enforcement was actually boosted. This was to ensure that no one would consume marijuana in public places (still illegal) and to keep civic anxiety low. Also, other states such as Oklahoma and Nebraska are dealing with greater law enforcement costs due to the illegal traversing of marijuana into those states. Currently, those states are suing Colorado and are actively working to rule marijuana legalization unconstitutional."

Again Con, I can't take your statements seriously without Statistics and References. And your misinterpreting my Point!
If Marijuana Legalization was National, there would be No Police enforcement in the aspects of Marijuana Shipment and Such. You need to see my Point of View.

"Saying that marijuana isn't as harmful or addictive as Tobacco, Cocaine, Heroin etc. isn't saying much. Simply because it isn't as bad doesn't make it good and it certainly doesn't give a great argument for its legalization."

It's Saying Much. Tobacco And Alcohol are the Most Lucrative LEGAL recreational substances In America,(Excluding Caffeine), and To compare the dangers of those with Marijuana? As I've provided many sources to, Marijuana is Extremely Safe, Non-Toxic, and Non Addictive!

" I"d also like to bring up the fact that marijuana is considered a "gateway drug." The CASA completed a study showing that people who used gateway drugs (alcohol and tobacco included), were, at tops, 322 times more likely to end up using cocaine. Almost 90% of people abusing cocaine have used tobacco, alcohol, and marijuana first. Statistically speaking, if we make marijuana legal, the use of these other drugs will explode. We will end up with a more dangerous society than when we began."

First off, Where are you retrieving these Stats From? Please provide them here.

" if we make marijuana legal, the use of these other drugs will explode"

Logically, that's makes no sense. Statistically, that's Incorrect, And most Importantly, Politically It's Denying Freedoms we have. I know many Individuals(Adults and Older Teens alike) Who make use of Marijuana, responsibly. Take into Consideration that all Marijuana Users don't abuse it. Marijuana induces a Calm and Sedative State(1), and Causes little to no damage to your lungs(2).

"Again, I state, law enforcement was increased in these areas. There is still so much about marijuana that is illegal. It"s illegal to consume in public, illegal to take across a state border, and it"s also illegal for people under 21 to buy or consume. The CASA study referred to previously reported that 12.6% of eighth graders, 24.4% of tenth graders, and a staggering 35.3% of twelfth graders use marijuana. John Jackson, the president of the Colorado Association of Chiefs of Police said, "There"s a common belief that by legalizing it [marijuana], you will get rid of the black market. I can resoundly say that the black market is alive and doing well.""

Again, Marijuana legalization Nationally would re-distribute law enforcement officers to other sectors of Crime that actual Matter to Public Safety and security. I've Never heard a Stoner go on a Mass Shooting, or Start a Fight. Marijuana is a Calm Inducing Narcotic, not a Violent one.

"My point is this: Legalizing marijuana would still leave a large subset of the population for whom it would still be illegal. Law enforcement would have just as hard of a time regulating marijuana then as they do now."

You know my Stance on this.

"I don"t think that would happen. I must again mention the large subset of people for whom marijuana would remain illegal. With marijuana so available, adult dealers could literally go store to store buying an ounce of weed at a time. That"s one option. But dealers don"t have to buy it from the store. There"s still money in the underground business because dealers can keep importing their marijuana the way the always have without having to, "levy 28 percent in state taxes." (John Jackson) Jackson goes on to say that it would actually still be cheaper to buy marijuana from a dealer than from a store. And why would the dealers care if it was still illegal if they made more money? This is why the black market is still alive and doing well."

Black Markets Arise from Prohibition, see the actual Prohibition of the 20's. This is a Perfect example.

Marijuana Would become a Franchise, a Market. Markets are highly competitive, and contribute to Local, State, and Federal Economy. This would Began Rooting out Dealers and Illegal Merchants alike. Just like now, You can't open a Shop without a Permit, you Cannot perform Surgery without a Degree and Permit. Rather then actual Prevention and Arrest, Some police would be Left over to enforce Regulation and Fair trade.

"Contention 5 Rebuttal:
This contention is a bit off topic. Medicinal marijuana is not illegal. I might also add though, that marijuana hasn't been studied enough yet to fully determine the positive and negative effects of taking it."

Not off Topic Whatsoever, I outline the Positive Reasons to Why the Average Consumer could use Marijuana.

When Cigarettes were Cool, There was little research to support the fact it Was Killing Them. Scientists Found out It was Extremely Harmfuld ever since Tobacco Consummation has been on the Decline, not just in the US, but Globally.(3)
Marijuana, as I pointed out, is Significantly less Harmful Then Tobacco, Alcohol, Cocaine, Ecstasy, and Heroin.

My Turn.

New Points for Platform.

CONTENTION 1. Marijuana Is a Calm Inducing Drug

Crime Caused by Marijuana influence is Restricted to either
1. D.U.I
2. Possession of Marijuana(6)
You Can See the Problem you as an Opposing Member has When Comparing to Legal Substances. (Alcohol)
Alcohol Is Responsible For Alcohol Being a Factor in 40% of ALL crimes in America.(4)
Alcohol Related Crimes and Arrest Causes Cost the US Government 223.5 Billion in 2006. (4)

CONTENTION 2. Criminalizing those who aren't Criminals

It's an Unfortunate fact that those with a Criminal Record have Significantly lowered chances in Achieving a scholarship, A Job, and a Normal Life. I don't think you require statistics and another individual to tell you that. Marijuana related Crimes Infringe on these things already stated, and to what Purpose?

Is the Law not Supposed to Protect the Citizens who Abide by it?
Is the Law not Supposed to Promote Equality, Fairness, and Justness?
Then why do we criminalize those who are Harming Others, who are Being arrest for Having a Bag of a Narcotic. Why aren't people being arrested For carrying Alcohol in Public, or Smoking a Cigarette?

CONTENTION 3. The Argument of tradition

Many will argue that Alcohol and Tobacco should continue to be sold Retail for the Purposes of tradition.

"We've had it so long, we can't just make it illegal"

This is the Kind of Conservative, Irrational, Non-progressive thinking that's holding back America from Continued Economic and Social Power Globally, currently that title as "World power" is being Seized By China, through its Massive Middle Class and large Population.

CONTENTION 4. Marijuana would be Regulated, Supervised, and Restricted like any other Pharmaceutical

Maintaining this belief that Marijuana is a "Dangerous" and "Greatly harmful" substance is wrong, as Proven by statistics and Evidence I've provided, Just go digging, and you'll find overwhelming evidence pointing to the fact marijuana is for the Better.
Marijuana Wouldn't be Willy Nilly Thrown Around, It would be Taxed, Regulated, and Monitored by the Government, as I've stated.

Final Statements

Legalization isn't the Taboo, Stoner Movement the Conservative Media has Labelled it, it Consists of Liberals, Libertarians, and Progressives alike.
Within the Last 20 Years, America has Slowly, but Gradually began to lose the Title of World Power it enjoyed through the Majority of the 20th century.
We achieved that Through Hard Work, Technologically innovation, Social and Political Equality, and a Diversity of International Peoples. We cannot begin to reverse nor Downgrade Societies Ability to Come together and enjoy there Freedoms.

Con, Try to Provide References for your Statements.

(1)(http://www.google.ca...
(2)(https://www.google.ca...)
(3)(https://www.google.ca...)
(4)(https://www.google.ca...)
Courtnic2

Con

Note: As far as my references, I completely forgot to put them at the bottom. I posted them in the comments but if you didn"t see them, no problem. I had them all on the google app on my iPod but it seems that what I thought were new tabs were actually recent pages which are removed after two days. So unfortunately the individual articles are gone but I do still have the list of the websites used. I can assure you that ALL of the information I gave came from these sites and if I find any of the specific links, I will post them.

Round 1 sources:
Colorado.gov (informational link)
m.huffpost.com
edition.cnn.com
mpp.org
denverpost.com
m.mic.com
cheatsheet.com
businessinsider.com
http://www.cbsnews.com...
drugwarfacts.org
washingtonpost.com
http://www.columbia.edu...

The first thing I"d like to point out is that you did not address many of the points that I gave, brushing them off for lack of sources. While this is somewhat understandable, since I"ve listed my sources and promised to do the best I can getting the specific links, I"d like to see you address them more thoroughly.

I have a question as well. What kind of marijuana legalization are you arguing for? Are you arguing for complete freedom, regardless of age, usage etc? Because if that were the case, yes, we would not have legal battles and it would save our country money. But let"s be real. That is never going to happen. Whether you want to argue for it or not, if alcohol and tobacco are illegal for people under 21, marijuana will remain so as well. And that will leave a large subset of the population for whom marijuana remains illegal. This will bring black markets. You"re right, prohibition is what causes black markets.

So far, what we"ve seen in Colorado is a restricted freedom. You cannot smoke it in public, you cannot smoke it under 21, and you cannot take it out of state. (Even if marijuana was legal throughout the United States, we would have troubles with Canada and Mexico for whom marijuana is still legal) The black market is still thriving in Colorado. "There"s a common belief that by legalizing it [marijuana], you will get rid of the black market. I can resoundly say that the black market is alive and doing well, " said John Jackson, the president of the Colorado Association of Chiefs of Police. (1) Since I have a source for this now, please don"t ignore it.

You said, "It's Saying Much. Tobacco And Alcohol are the Most Lucrative LEGAL recreational substances In America,(Excluding Caffeine), and To compare the dangers of those with Marijuana?" You misunderstood me as well. What I was in essence saying, is that it is ridiculous to claim that marijuana should be legal because it is safer than tobacco, cocaine, and heroin. It would seem that you agree, but it was in one of your previous contentions.

Since I can"t find my specific reference for my claim that people who use gateway drugs are 322 times more likely to take cocaine, I"ll provide other, similar statistics. Youth alone aged 12-17 are 85 times more likely to take cocaine and kids smoking marijuana before the age of 15 are 60% more likely to end up on cocaine. (4) Therefore, my statement, "If we make marijuana legal, the use of these other drugs will explode" is both logical and statistically correct. An increase in marijuana will cause an increase in harsher drugs.

You claim, "I've ever heard a stoner go on a mass shooting, or start a fight. Marijuana is a calm inducing narcotic, not a violent one." Actually, some sources would say that this is a myth of marijuana. Simply because it reduces your stress for a short time doesn"t make it non-aggressive. After the drug wears off, it causes increased anxiety. (2) Also, as a point of interest, the governor of Colorado opposes the legalization of marijuana. He said, "I think if I could"ve, you know, made a magic incantation; waved a magic wand the day after the election, I would"ve reversed the election and said, ""this is a bad idea."" He also said, "All the top neuroscientists said" marijuana could diminish long term memory in teenagers." (3) This supports my claim that marijuana would never become legal for people under 21.

Seriously, smoking anything will damage your lungs. I"m sure there are sources out there that would say otherwise, but it just isn"t true. The data you are finding probably says that smoking marijuana won"t lead to lung cancer. This is true, but not all lung damage is in the form of cancer.
Sources to support my claim that marijuana does damage your lungs: (most of these sources are mixed. Smoking marijuana isn"t as bad as smoking tobacco, but that isn"t the issue. All of them say that smoking marijuana is harmful to the lungs in other ways than cancer. Even your own source states that the evidence is mixed.)
http://www.lung.org...
http://thinkprogress.org...
http://www.truthonpot.com...
http://adai.uw.edu...

Medical marijuana is legal already. Colorado only made recreational marijuana legal. The average consumer will not buy recreational marijuana for medical reasons.

I already rebutted contention 1. Your facts are based off certain sites but other sites declare the opposite. Again, marijuana has not been studied in great detail and the legalization of marijuana in Colorado is a, "social experiment." We have yet to see the consequences. (5)

Contention 2 Rebuttal:
Contention 2 is a logically faulty argument. Basically you are saying that because people are being arrested for possessing an illegal substance, we should make it legal so that they will not be considered criminals.

Contention 3 Rebuttal:
Wait, are you arguing for the illegalization of alcohol and tobacco? How does this have anything to do with marijuana?

Contention 4 Rebuttal:
Are you arguing for or against the government taxing, regulating, and monitoring marijuana?

Final Statements Rebuttal:
You state, "Within the Last 20 Years, America has Slowly, but Gradually began to lose the Title of World Power it enjoyed through the Majority of the 20th century." How is this related to the topic? Where are you getting this information?

You also say, "We achieved that Through Hard Work, Technologically innovation, Social and Political Equality, and a Diversity of International Peoples. We cannot begin to reverse nor Downgrade Societies Ability to Come together and enjoy there Freedoms." I am struggling to grasp the implications of this statement toward marijuana. We achieved what? Are you seriously saying that keeping marijuana illegal inhibits societies" ability to come together and enjoy their freedoms? I infer by this that you believe marijuana is a right and a freedom for the U.S. If so, where are you basing that belief?

My Final Statements:
These new contentions you put forth are mostly either restatements, confusing, or off topic. You"re ignoring the fact that marijuana will be illegal for some people, in some places. Therefore, police will still be involved, money will still be spent, and the black market will still thrive.

Round 2 Sources:
(1) http://www.cbsnews.com...
(2) http://addictions.about.com...
(3) http://www.mediaite.com...
(4) http://www.drugfreeworld.org...
(5) http://fordhampoliticalreview.org...
Debate Round No. 3
StalinIncarnate

Pro

StalinIncarnate forfeited this round.
Courtnic2

Con

Courtnic2 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by Finalfan 1 year ago
Finalfan
Its simple: "guilty until proven innocent"
Meaning everyone that has ever been fined or jailed for possession was done so without any real justification other than demonization.
Posted by Courtnic2 1 year ago
Courtnic2
You guys should vote, the period is almost over!
Posted by Courtnic2 1 year ago
Courtnic2
Ok I'm a bit confused. What do you mean when you say, "also this a heated topic because it turns otherwise law abiding citizens into criminals without justification,"? And 22 billion funds the black market? And what do you mean when you say authority cries wolf? As a clarification I was not comparing smoking marijuna to being a serial killer. I was just comparing the logic.

I'm not blindly following authority in this issue. I've done careful research and come up with my own conclusion. And are you saying that anarchy is better than blindly following authority? I mean I suppose it depends on the authority. As for me, I'll folow authority until they tell me to violate one of the basics laws of life: murder, stealing, etc.

It is debatable whether or not it saves money in the long run because of the things we've seen so far. Read my argument for round 2. Law endorcement was increased and police are still having trouble controlling the black market. Unless you want marijuana to be legal everywhere for everybody with no restrictions whatsoever. Then it would save money. But marijuana is treated like alcohol. Can't smoke it under 21 and right now you can't smoke it in public. Both of these laws will probably always be in place. Also the law enforcement at the border thing is an issue. The legalisation of marijuana isn't saving money so far.
Posted by Finalfan 1 year ago
Finalfan
"(it's debatable whether or not it saves money in the long run)"
Common sense dictates that it is not debatable. I'm not suggesting anarchy here. My "authority" needs to pick its battles if it wants me to take it seriously! If you think blindly following authority isn't the most dangerous thing you can do then maybe anarchy isn't such a bad idea!
Posted by Finalfan 1 year ago
Finalfan
Well since you are comparing smoking weed to being a serial killer I don't think we are going to find common ground here. Also this is a heated topic because it turns otherwise law abiding citizens into criminals without justification. I have a problem with authority especially when it cries wolf when there isn't one! BTW 20 Billion is spent on the war on marijuana. The other 22 Billion funds the black market instead of healthcare and education!
Posted by Courtnic2 1 year ago
Courtnic2
The U.S. spends 20 billion dollars on marijuana control, not 42.

One more thing: it isn't logical to say that just because you can't prohibit something we should just make it legal. You could carry the same exact logic to murder and say that because people are going to do it anyway, let's just make it legal. There are certain things we should always prohibit. Whether or not people actually follow them isn't the point. A lawless society becomes just that: lawless. We could let the marijuana issue go for issues of funding (it's debatable whether or not it saves money in the long run but anyway) but what's going to be next. It costs money to lock up serial killers and they'll just do it anyway so let's legalise it. Since when did our standard for laws become how much work something is?

I don't want to participate in this discussion if it's just going to be an online yelling match. I think it's great that we have the freedom of speech to talk about this issue but let's not do it like this.
Posted by Finalfan 1 year ago
Finalfan
Sugar and Caffeine ARE gateway drugs! America's freedom means you can eat McDonald's, and drink redbull whenever you want regardless of how "bad" it is for you! You should move to Singapore where they kill people for using drugs. Your right we spend 42 Billion a year.. Prohibition works in the same world where men can have babies and we all spend our nights dancing on rainbows! In what fantasy realm do you come from where prohibition actually works.. Didn't alcohol prohibition teach us anything? It scares me that control freaks think they can run the world. You assume you are standing up for what's right but I think you jumped on the dogma bandwagon. I'm afraid for our country too.. because of self righteous people like you!
Posted by Courtnic2 1 year ago
Courtnic2
I don't appreciate that. There is most certainly a viable argument for both sides. And no, sugar and caffeine are not considered gateway drugs. Nicotine is as I stated in my argument for round two. I also disagree with your line, "this is America where freedom simply means you are free to self-destruct." Honestly, what kind of an attitude is that? The American spirit may be grounded in that for you but it definitely isn't for me. Also, we don't spend 40 billion a year on this issue. And stating that prohibition doesn't work is your opinion, not a fact. There are still people in this country who care enough to stand up for what's right. Your comment scares me for the future of our country.
Posted by Finalfan 1 year ago
Finalfan
Gateway drugs: Sugar, Caffeine, Nicotine. This is America where freedom simply means you are free to self destruct. Be it Food, Drink or Smoke, Either way the "American Spirit" is grounded on this concept! Deal with it. No need to spend 40 Billion a year on something that is so innocuous! Prohibition doesn't work! That is a fact. No possible way to deny it! There is no debate here only hypocrisy!
Posted by Courtnic2 1 year ago
Courtnic2
There's also a supposition that when marijuana stops being "good enough" for the people who want to get high, like when the shine wears off, they turn to other drugs. In that way, marijuana is in fact, a gateway drug.
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