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Marijuana and Some Serotonergic Hallucinogens Should Be Decriminalized, if not Legalized Outright.

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Started: 1/20/2014 Category: Health
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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To clarify on Psychedelics I am referring to Lysergic Acid Diethylamide, Psilocin/Psilocybin, and Dimethyltryptamine.

Marijuana is a plant that is well known for its effects of acting upon the cannabinoid receptors in the brain, causing euphoria, as well as a slew of other effects. It is much less harmful on your lungs than tobacco smoke, and does not cause cancer. There have been no known deaths from marijuana overdose, and significantly less outright deaths (car accidents and the likes) than with alcohol or other legal psychoactives. It is also nonaddictive, unlike alcohol or tobacco.

Lysergic Acid Diethylamide:
LSD is a potent partial receptor agonist of the serotonin system. It has not been shown to cause any negative health impacts, and is safe at doses much higher than what is recommended (average dose: 300ug, LD50 in rabbits, the most sensitive to this chemical, is roughly 300ug per kilogram of body weight. In humans it has not been determined). Also, legalization would provide a safe way of obtaining the chemical, while "street LSD" is usually a totally different chemical, and now a days is almost always something of the nBOMe series, who's ld50 is although not yet determined, is most likely under 10mg (average nBOMe dose can range from 300ug to 800ug, depending on what chemical) as is shown by recent deaths. It is also non addictive, with tolerance subsiding in one to three weeks (which on a side note, prevents compulsive use, unlike tobacco, alcohol, opioids, stimulants, etc.)

These are the common chemicals found in psychedelic mushrooms. Psilocybin is a considered to be a prodrug of psilocin, which is a serotergenic agonist, acting basically as less potent lsd. It has the same safety profile as lsd, with the ld50 being quite high (although not as high as lsd, but still 80 or 90 times higher than the average dose). It may be unsafe to drive on, but so is alcohol. It causes no long term negative side effects physically.

Dimethyltryptamine, or DMT is another serotonin partial agonist. It is found in the human brain in trace amounts, and has been used for centuries by the native people of the Amazon. It is structurally analogous to serotonin, furthering its safety profile. This chemicals trip lasts for only 10-30 minutes, but is intense in nature. With this limited time period, someone cannot use it and then get into a car, nor is it a feasible date rape drug. It is non addictive, but does not have the tolerance build up of other chemicals of this class.

Sources: (using multiple references, trip reports, experiences, and statistics)
Personal Experiences with Cannabis and LSD


I accept.

Let's clarify.

you are talking about enacting legislation in the U.S.A. federal government, to legalize psychedelic drugs as a recreational product available in a legal market right?
Debate Round No. 1


Yes I am.


Okay, so I'm starting this debate?

Despite being con?

Hmmmmm OK.

I don't understand your method of debate, I would have otherwise used text from your round 1 debate and argued it, but because you just responded I don't know what to debate you on.

I am going to use this round to say nothing. Seeing as nothing but some well researched back ground has been said yet.

Go ahead. we'll use the last two rounds to really debate. Remember you are affirmative, I am here to counter you if you don't say anything I can't counter you.

Here is a list of key jargon to use in round.
Debate Round No. 2


Im sorry I thought the title explained what i was starting the debate on :3. New to the website.

Anyway, I purpose that the previously listed chemicals be legalized for recreational use in the United States, or at the very least decriminalized, based on the information previously submitted. Much more harmful substances are legal right now, including alcohol, tobacco, and (for right now) research chemicals, including the NBOMe family of phenethylamines, chemicals which have caused death since they're discovery on the internet in 2010. If chemicals like LSD, DMT, and shrooms (considered to be gold standards in the Psychedelic culture because of their safety), then deaths like these would not be happening. Also, they could be easily taxable for a profit from the US government.

If legalization is not possible, at least a move from Schedule one to something lower would be appropriate. There is no reason that something like LSD or Psilocin should be grouped with heroin, an addicting and body destroying chemical, and rated worse than things like Methamphetamines, almost every other opiate/opioid (including dihydroetorphine, which is hundreds times more potent than morphine), and barbiturates, all of which have killed hundreds of people.

Sources: Round One Statistics

What are your arguments against legalization/decriminalization?


NPDAgeek forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3


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Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by Debatorman 3 years ago
You are correct to a point. Marijuana does not burn well on its own, true. But you do not need tobacco in it for it to burn well. In a pipe or a bong, you just apply flame every time u want a hit. Less product wasted and it serves your purpose. Also, in joints, the paper is what burns with the marijuana.
Posted by brepar 3 years ago
you realise that marijuana does not burn properly without the addition of a flammable substance, usually tobacco. therefore you are as likely to get cancer smoking marijuana as you are normal cigarettes. :)
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Reasons for voting decision: Con trolled the debate. Pro started with arguments that con never addressed. Even after the awkward second round, pro got back on topic and con forfeited after that.