The Instigator
Lawsonishere
Pro (for)
Winning
19 Points
The Contender
InfraRedEd
Con (against)
Losing
13 Points

Marijuana should be legalized and should be taken seriously as a medicine.

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Lawsonishere
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 5/2/2009 Category: Politics
Updated: 8 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Lawsonishere

Pro

Millions of Americans smoke marijuana both for recreational uses and also medicinal uses. Whoever accepts this debate must justify why these people are criminals and also disprove Marijuana's use of medicine. With the economy in the tank why wouldn't marijuana be considered a viable stimulus to a sputtering economy. This is all I'll say for now and to whoever trys to disprove me good luck.
InfraRedEd

Con

Thank you for a stimulating topic. It's about time. Even conservatives are lining up to free the weed.

What a part of our culture is weed. Historians will have no difficulty determining what has the most influence on our society. What religion, philosophy, book, movie or band? Who has not weighed in on the subject? In "Romancing the Stone" when they throw another kilo on the fire? A smoke break in an adventure movie.

There are so many myths about marijuana, including the name. It's not Spanish at all. It was coined by Harry Anslinger. Here's what he says:

"An entire family was murdered by a youthful addict in Florida. When officers arrived at the home, they found the youth staggering about in a human slaughterhouse. With an axe he had killed his father, mother, two brothers, and a sister. He seemed to be in a daze… He had no recollection of having committed the multiple crime. The officers knew him ordinarily as a sane, rather quiet young man; now he was pitifully crazed. They sought the reason. The boy said that he had been in the habit of smoking something which youthful friends called "muggles," a childish name for marijuana."

And cops to this day are going crazy trying to deal with this murderous drug, mainly by trying to keep from laughing as they smoke your stash which of course you cannot have in the slammer.

I see "Reeder Madness" is making the rounds. Remember people used to take this stuff seriously.

How is it possible? We can see hysterical media today that people are falling for. The National Forensic League, well I haven't thoroughly examined their proof that pirates are the cause of global warming but perhaps they are trying to tell us something.

Most of science is wrong. It's always been that way. It's supposed to be that way. That's the way it works. It's called trial and error.

The Marijuana Potency Project. They take one sample from each bust, so if they get one ton of, say, 5% THC pot and one gram of 25% THC hash (yes they forgot to mention they include hash and hash oil) the "average potency" is 15%. Laugh at these bozos if you wish but they are serious. They want to lock you up and fine you for posession of herbal medicine.

No scientific journal will even get near this garbage. But it costs lots of money and it proves that cannabis potency keeps increasing every year even though it is still the same as it ever was so that kills two birds with one stone.

Scare tactics:

http://www.usdoj.gov...

Racial profiling:

http://latinousa.kut.org...

So the increased potency just means minority groups know where to get better weed. Keep this is mind when shopping. Better living through chemistry. Our tax money wasn't wasted after all.

Well we are both adults. What a bummer. Let me light up and see how to address this.

I think the question we must ask is why the witch hunt? Is this a simple question?

What effect will this, or any online debate have on the public perception of the issue?

Is it really reasonable to believe that anyone is going to cooperate with cannabis tax after being persecuted for so long? Not me.

Anyway we can plant them faster than they can eradicate them without wiping out everything else too. There isn't anywhere on the planet safe from this toxic eradication program for a poor weed that never hurt anyone and brings pleasure to millions.

Particularly of concern, as we can see, is the National Forests. Why, any Johnny Appleseed that wants to can create quite a problem for law enforcement because now Freddy has all this stuff to smoke which they get fired if they smoke and nobody to arrest anyway. I think this could become unmanageable real soon. Of course if they simply confiscate it it will end up back on the street right away.

Why does all the best hash come from Moslem countries? Joyce

http://tv.mpp.org...

has the answer. It's her grandchildren and everyone's grandchildren and the World Trade Center that are being targeted by the Taliban.

The hash war is on. See, we can focus our hate.

I think if we can figure out Joyce Nalepka we will have solved the problem. What makes her tick? Why is she doing this?

"Students for Sensible Drug Policy is a militant fringe of the drug legalization movement. As parents, we would treat membership in SSDP as firmly as we would treat drug use. Stop the behavior and resign from the group or pay your own tuition."

Retrieved from "http://ssdp.org...;

She belongs in the Middle Ages. Are you now or have you ever been a member of any organization attacking the World Trade center or Joyce's grandchildren? We have seen this happen before you know.

Complete amnesia should humanely be induced in Joyce Nalepka using cutting edge, no pun intended, technology. I think this is the most humane treatment possible. Her grandchildren will also be grateful.

Oh wait.

http://www.mpp.org...

Public opinion is changing. They have seen the errer of there ways and everything will be OK from now on and we know what he is smoking. It's not going to happen.

I don't think so. Don't fall for any of their balogna.

It grows in the ground and you can make all the laws you want. The shamrock still grows in Ireland and weed still grows around the world. Mother Nature wins every time.

Notice this drug war. The rhetoric is about hard drugs but the busts are for weed.

If weed is legalized they will still not set all the people free who were unjustly imprisoned so that is unfair. The law should be equally unfair to everyone. That is "Equal Injustice Under the Law."

The Arizona initiative is something new. "Pharmacies" will be licensed to grow up to twelve plants per medical client. Medical clients not living withing 25 miles of a pharmacy will be allowed to grow their own.

Health caretakers could grow plants for their clients.

Except who would want to become the target now of criminals and police and their own clients?

Violent weed smokers will bomb the pharmacies just so they can grow their own after stealing their harvest of course.

Then they will wage war on each other. Maybe legalization is a good idea to get rid of them all.

And Joyce's grandchildren will be safe.

Many people are allergic to cannabis.

Hemp competes with Big Chem and Big Pharma so that is the economic reason for prohibition. It's to make hemp illegal.

They are the ones poisoning Joyce's mind. We need to get their attention.

http://en.wikipedia.org...

What could the Army have wanted with 300 of these? You could take over a country. They are probably remote controlled.

What is the best way to keep weed? Freezing? Seal it up tight?

Bongs make the smoke stale. Papers are irritating. A small pipe with a hole in it.

I think the key when smoking it is to reduce the oxygen available, by covering it or some vaporizers work that way.

This makes the most smoke.

Soak your pipe in alcohol for a couple weeks before using it to remove toxic finish.

Clean it by soaking it in liquor and drinking it down somehow. Remember to remove the pipe first.

You can clean the pipe with toilet paper and then smoke that or swallow it.

The toilet paper not the pipe.

When using weed for cooking make sure to grind it up real good. It has to be absorbed by oil and cooked.

Cookies and sugar are bad for you. Use it in main dishes.

All they need to do is develop a device to hear coughing from weed and we are done for.

Maybe we can discuss making hash in the next round.
Debate Round No. 1
Lawsonishere

Pro

I would like to thank my opponent for accepting this debate all be it with a flamboyant agreement.

"An entire family was murdered by a youthful addict in Florida. When officers arrived at the home, they found the youth staggering about in a human slaughterhouse. With an axe he had killed his father, mother, two brothers, and a sister. He seemed to be in a daze… He had no recollection of having committed the multiple crime. The officers knew him ordinarily as a sane, rather quiet young man; now he was pitifully crazed. They sought the reason. The boy said that he had been in the habit of smoking something which youthful friends called "muggles," a childish name for marijuana."

And cops to this day are going crazy trying to deal with this murderous drug, mainly by trying to keep from laughing as they smoke your stash which of course you cannot have in the slammer.

I see "Reeder Madness" is making the rounds. Remember people used to take this stuff seriously."

I will not debate the scare tactics used by the mainstream media because I agree but with this whole argument about marijuana it relies on one thing. The people have to take responsibility for themselves and decide whats good and bad for there bodies, not the media.

"So the increased potency just means minority groups know where to get better weed. Keep this is mind when shopping. Better living through chemistry. Our tax money wasn't wasted after all."

This is a completely wrong statement by my opponent. Most of the high grade potent marijuana you speak of comes from Humboldt County and British Columbia. With medical marijuana many more non minority's have easy access to the best marijuana in the world. Just look at Humboldt county's demographics. http://quickfacts.census.gov...

I agree with your statement saying minority's have easier access to marijuana though. But it is often cheap brick weed from Mexico. There are acceptations to every rule and generalization although so I don't see this marijuana demographic debate going anywhere.

"I think the question we must ask is why the witch hunt? Is this a simple question?

What effect will this, or any online debate have on the public perception of the issue?

Is it really reasonable to believe that anyone is going to cooperate with cannabis tax after being persecuted for so long? Not me."

Well i wouldn't necessarily say it is a witch hunt. Most states have decriminalized marijuana. Usually teenagers feel the wrath of the war on marijuana. See the fact that it is a plant and that it is also easy to grow will have some definitely bypassing the marijuana tax. For most though growing isn't easy and it is also extremely time consuming. Most would choose to go to a medical marijuana shop rather than purchase the expensive indoor growing materials.

"Anyway we can plant them faster than they can eradicate them without wiping out everything else too. There isn't anywhere on the planet safe from this toxic eradication program for a poor weed that never hurt anyone and brings pleasure to millions.

Particularly of concern, as we can see, is the National Forests. Why, any Johnny Appleseed that wants to can create quite a problem for law enforcement because now Freddy has all this stuff to smoke which they get fired if they smoke and nobody to arrest anyway. I think this could become unmanageable real soon. Of course if they simply confiscate it it will end up back on the street right away."

This argument is very naive at best. For marijuana to be worth any amount of money it must be attended to quite often. You can't simply plant seeds and expect them to turn into potent or even low grade marijuana. Weed with seeds is not popular and if it has many its essentially worthless. If marijuana was legal why wouldn't you grow it on your own land? People know if you guerrilla grow on someone's land it will be destroyed and a bitch to conceal it. Guerrilla growing exists due to marijuana being illegal.

Yes Infared you mentioned many ways to smoke marijuana but you forgot the most healthy way. Through edible consumption. Many patients with emphysema use this method. Also with your hash argument yes the best is made in the middle east. Mostly because of heritage and emphasize on it. Anyone who grows can easily make hash.
InfraRedEd

Con

Marijuana was found in a student's locker. His whole family was deported. He committed suicide.

My attorneys have reviewed my prediclement and have advised:

(2) A negative may choose a third option and argue both alternatives provided by the resolution.

This is a good rule. It makes better debates. This is a good application of that rule.

It allows many facets of a complex issue to be presented without worrying about details like are they pro or con.

It also allows myths to be addressed effectively by both parties.

Attorneys should have that option also and the courts would clear out their backlogs in no time and there would be no attorneys.

The AMA says there is no medical use for MJ. It's illegal everywhere on Earth except at the bottom of the ocean and in orbit so how can it be good?

There's not much corruption caused by MJ prohibition since MJ laws are fairly enforced and corruption is a good thing anyway. It provides jobs and that is important.

Drug testing is big business. It's done by probably the same people that run private prisons so that cuts out the middle man.

The private prisons have much better opportunities for escape since they want you to come back and bring all your friends because that is big profits.

Some jail time is good anyway because you can meet lots of new contacts and growers there and lots of other drugs too.

If those loadies would learn their lesson but they will just go back and smoke it again. They are no good for the Army and they can't hold a job so that difference does it make that they now have a felony record? In fact that makes it easier to score.

Families get tired of one another and it is a good thing for some of them to go to jail once in a while.

These prisons, especially private prisons, are just making the problem worse and so that is why we must build more of them.

They don't cost very much anyway and are a real good investment in a time of economic crisis since they reduce the unemployment rate.

The issue of what drugs Joyce's grandchildren should or should not get is beyond the scope of this debate.

Well if you are going to kill your family anyway just have a candy bar first, it will be a lot better defense than the Muggles Defense. Now we know the dog is a natural high and is going to end up killing everybody.

I reefer to "Mr. Muggles", the pet pomeranian of the Bennet family in the NBC drama "Heroes." He will be going postal in an upcoming episode. I can't say any more.

http://www.erowid.org...

Yes but weed in the National Forest is a victory nonetheless. They have to eradicate it anyway. It's the law. Pretty soon it'll be the National Parking Lot and the only thing that will grow there is weed.

In fact why don't we just GE a virus to kill all the plants except cannabis. That'll show them.

High-mountain Michoachan or Oaxacan is the best of the brickweed. If you are buying BC bud in New York you are paying way too much for it. A better deal is to trade your cocaine for it, as the movie

http://www.AGrowthIndustry.info...

points out; that's worth a lot more in BC.

Vaporizers are a great help for COPD.

http://www.hippy.com...

If cannabis were made legal in the U.S. everyone would move here.

Joyce's grandchildren are selling drugs and she is just protecting their territory.

In fact this proves that pot turns you into a pedophile.

If they would legalize cannabis, loadies wouldn't have to hang out at the middle school to score.

Joyce's children also are still in school. They have joined SSDP and she has disowned them and narked on them. They are now serving multiple life terms so it is the prison school which does not have an SSDP chapter but it sure has drugs so others in SSDP will carry on, bringing drugs to Joyce's grandchildren.

What are her children doing having children while they are still in school? I'll bet SSDP is at the bottom of this.

SSDP is a giant drug cartel. That is the only explanation. Where else would Joyce's grandchildren be getting the stuff?

If cannabia were legalized Joyce's grandchildren would be out of business.

Now that we can see her agenda it is much easier to counter.

Joyce's grandchildren will soon be dealing crack and will lose interest in weed since we all know that MJ is a gateway drug.

Have you talked to your parents about Joyce Nalepka?

http://daregeneration.blogspot.com...

http://www.highbeam.com...

Her rationale for student drug testing was to save kids' lives and reduce drug-related school problems.

But student drug testing is most likely to detect MJ since it stays in the system the longest.

And MJ has no harmful effects except it makes you want to kill your family.

http://www.erowid.org...

So the student drug testing will not contribute to safety at all anyway since the students' families do not attend school.

This is a call-in show so let's have some questions and comments in the comments. What is my opponent doing in his picture?

I have ten hours and three KB left so let the ranting begin.

Serious debaters make jokes about online debating and for good reason.

Our educational system, inter alia, is in a shambles.

Inter alia means among others such as justice.

To use their jargon, the provision of open courseware by utilizing distance technology.

Every class should be a debating class.

http://www.finitesite.com...

http://www.debate.org...

We need to get our debating together.
Debate Round No. 2
Lawsonishere

Pro

Bringing Marijuana into a school is an ignorant and pathetic act and you condoning it and using it as an argument is quite sad. Not everyone who gets caught with marijuana commits suicide, this is an ignorant generalization. As for the deportation if they were not legal citizens it is more than just to deport them. Marijuana is still a drug and bringing it around minors is irresponsible in the first place. In order for marijuana legalization to work the people must start to take full responsibility for there actions. One major reason why marijuana is not legal yet is the dumb stoner stereotypes.

See drug testing can still be done even if marijuana's legal. An employer should be able to test for whatever they want.

Now lets stick to the topic of marijuana. Could you imagine the amount of jobs the marijuana industry could create? Coffee shops that supply and employ those 18 and older. A significant tax revenue from each of those coffee shops could help save many economically struggling cities. Look what the medical marijuana industry has done to California. Its capitalism at its best although i know you don't like money but most do.
http://www.time.com...

I will now allow my opponent another round of his babbling.
InfraRedEd

Con

No my opponent is the king of babbling.
Debate Round No. 3
Lawsonishere

Pro

So far during this debate my opponent has not been able to disprove or argue my resolution in any way. The resolution should win on these three ideas.

1. Over 15 million Americans have used marijuana in the last month. This is a conservative estimate in itself. Over 70 percent of America has tried marijuana at one time. http://www.nida.nih.gov...

2. Marijuana is a medicine. Many states have adopted medical marijuana laws due to the public outcry of citizens. Marijuana is proven to treat glaucoma, lack of appetite(which greatly benefits aids patients and those who are severely ill), anxiety, depression, nausea, chronic headaches, and back pains.

3. The fact that the economy could greatly benefit from a new sector called the marijuana economy. This will supply tax revenue and new opportunities for young entrepreneurs.

I urge a vote for pro especially since my opponent hasn't proved anything with his arguments.
InfraRedEd

Con

Not surprisingly, marijuana intoxication can cause distorted perceptions, impaired coordination, difficulty in thinking and problem solving, and problems with learning and memory.

Clearly my opponent has the symptoms. We can only speculate as to the cause.

My opponent should read his own source. I can argue his position but it is not fair to let him argue mine since he is such a poor debater. I have tried to do both his job and mine.

I have tried to suggest ways for him to spend his debating time more productively:

The AMA says there is no medical use for MJ. It's illegal everywhere on Earth except at the bottom of the ocean and in orbit so how can it be good?

There's not much corruption caused by MJ prohibition since MJ laws are fairly enforced and corruption is a good thing anyway. It provides jobs and that is important.

Drug testing is big business. It's done by probably the same people that run private prisons so that cuts out the middle man.

The private prisons have much better opportunities for escape since they want you to come back and bring all your friends because that is big profits.

Some jail time is good anyway because you can meet lots of new contacts and growers there and lots of other drugs too.

If those loadies would learn their lesson but they will just go back and smoke it again. They are no good for the Army and they can't hold a job so that difference does it make that they now have a felony record? In fact that makes it easier to score.

Families get tired of one another and it is a good thing for some of them to go to jail once in a while.

These prisons, especially private prisons, are just making the problem worse and so that is why we must build more of them.

They don't cost very much anyway and are a real good investment in a time of economic crisis since they reduce the unemployment rate.

But he still won't do his job and I am not going to do it for him. Do not let him get away with this. Learn about the subject. Become more informed than my opponent.

The CIA is importing drugs that really do make you want to kill into the inner cities.

http://www.copvcia.com...

This bud's for you.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by Lawsonishere 8 years ago
Lawsonishere
I loved this debate personally, Eds definitely an eccentric debater.
Posted by SuperPerfundo 8 years ago
SuperPerfundo
Ed, don't listen to anyone frustrated with your debate style. I found this one hilarious and poignant.
Posted by Lawsonishere 8 years ago
Lawsonishere
haha me to. Ed did you inhale?
Posted by InfraRedEd 8 years ago
InfraRedEd
What's the most idiotic statement of the Twentieth Century about MJ? There are many but I have to give it to "But I didn't inhale."
Posted by InfraRedEd 8 years ago
InfraRedEd
Update: Joyce's grandchildren are now doing much needed cannabis research using Mr. Muggles as the experimental group.
Posted by InfraRedEd 8 years ago
InfraRedEd
http://www.narconews.com...
Real drug runners don't leave witnesses or planes unless completely burnt.
Or their guns.
What amateurs.
Posted by InfraRedEd 8 years ago
InfraRedEd
http://www.amazon.com...

http://wiki.idebate.org...

In Charlie's rules the topics are assigned randomly to teams of two. Both are carefully chosen.

The rules are designed for that situation so "mine" offer better flexibility in responding to difficult topics. "Charlie's" have a good description of value and criteria. Both are useful.
Posted by Lawsonishere 8 years ago
Lawsonishere
Charlie why don't you go slobber more about Lincoln Douglas debating rules. Its debating the point is to get your point across no matter what format. Is debating Ed frustrating yes but all debate is frustrating no matter what form.
Posted by Charlie_Danger 8 years ago
Charlie_Danger
Uhm,
Just so everyone knows, those are NOT Lincoln-Douglas Debate rules. If you ever wanna know how not to debate LD, Ed's the guy for the job.
Posted by InfraRedEd 8 years ago
InfraRedEd
Oh hi Klep. Here's our homework: http://www.agrowthindustry.info...
If that works that is how to post YouTube clips.
I have to agree with my opponent 100% except for who is going to give their name to the government for the priviledge of being taxed not to mention when the wind changes you are a sitting duck. So the impact on the economy is decidedly look how many jobs depend on the war on cannabis. Testing and what other drug lasts the weekend not to mention staying in the system a month? The war on cannabis is big business. Also keeping those darn dissidents in jail where they all belong with all their friends, and all the jobs go to conservatives who use worse drugs.

Taken seriously as a medicine? I should say so.

http://norml.org...

This will certainly be a tough one.

Oh, the rules:

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(3) A negative debater can also argue a "critique" against a resolution in its entirety.

Because productive conflict, or 'clash,' is key to a Lincoln-Douglas debate, each debater should be able to make a positive case for their position and values, as opposed to a purely negative attack on those of their opponent.

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