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Marijuana should be legalized

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 3/16/2011 Category: Politics
Updated: 5 years ago Status: Voting Period
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nkastner

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Marijuana should be legalized for medical purposes.
15 of 50 US States and DC have legalized the medical use of marijuana.
It can be a safe and effective treatment for the symptoms of cancer, AIDS, multiple sclerosis, pain, glaucoma, epilepsy, and other conditions.
Scientific studies show that for many years marijuana has pointed to medicinal help. Six of these studies sponsored by U.S. states in the 1970s and 1980s, demonstrate that smoking marijuana reduces nausea and reduces pain for many patients, especially those facing cancer chemotherapy and glaucoma.
Plus thousands of patients and their families and doctors have experienced and witnessed the medical benefits of marijuana. They have testified at public hearings and appeared in the media with these findings.
Too many people are suffering from these diseases and if marijuana can help them, we should legalize it so they can get better.
NotoD

Con

I would like to thank my opponent for giving me the opportunity to debate on this side on this specific topic.
Now then let the games begin.

A. You say that medicinal marijuana can CAN be a safe and effective treatment. For some very serious medical conditions that are a huge concern for our society. Of the conditions you did state, i will say you are valid on 1 of them. That being pain, as to my knowledge Marijuana does act as sort of a pain killer, except without the high of some of the other pain killers out there like vicodin. But that goes to say how much pain would be required to needed for one to get said medicinal marijuana. To go on, one could simply fake pain to abuse the system, trust if it is legalized that would happen in great numbers. Furthermore, I would like to know how that is if you can show it to me if not it is of no matter, how it can help treat such illnesses such as AIDS, Cancer, epilepsy, etc.

B. Now also how would you ensure that it is actually getting to those who need it and it is not just going to any random person who can present a card or something saying they have legal access to the marijuana? I say without at least a proper way of ensuring it gets to the right people Marijuana should remain illegal. Since there has also been no proven way to ensure all laws are enforced, since there is always a loophole or an exception of some kind. No one can justify making marijuana legal since it could and would be abused by a variety of people.

No matter what the medicinal trials show about the drug, and how it MAY benefit people. Legalizing Marijuana would only fuel the rampant illegal use of it in our nation. It would give people a reason to then abuse the system and obtain marijuana for their own personal and selfish needs. It could also cause a lot of corruption in the form of a pharmacist selling said Marijuana on the streets or, in the back for a huge profit of their own personal gain.
Debate Round No. 1
nkastner

Pro

You are correct when you said that people use the system, but how many people currently still abuse it, and use marijuana even though it is illegal. Although marijuana is illegal hundreds of people still abuse it everyday. If people want something they will get it no matter how hard it is, if they want marijuana they will find a means of getting it. Making it legalized wont start a problem of abusing the drug, the problem is already here.
Also i believe that they should make strict guidelines as to who it will be legal to. You have to prove that you need it for legal purposes, have a doctor approve it, etc..

Aids: A study conducted at San Francisco General Hospital's Clinical Research Center and published in the journal Neurology found that smoking marijuana effectively relieved the symptoms of HIV-associated sensory neuropathy, an extremely painful peripheral nerve disorder.

Cancer: It helps lessen the dreadful symptoms of cancer and chemo; see this goverment website proving so if you please.
http://www.cancer.gov...

MS: The journal of cannabis theraputics reported by researchers at GW Pharmacetuicals that "Some patients with ms who smoke cannabis report relief of spasm and pain after the second puff of a cannabis.
The Americans for safe access stated in 2005 that "Many Ms patients report that it has a startling and profound effect on muscle spasms, tremors, balance, bladder control, speech and eyesight. Many wheel-chair bound patients report that they can walk unaided when they have smoked this.
"numerous case studies have
also reported improvement in patients treated with symptoms of MS including spasticity.
'have been shown in animal models to measurably lessen the symptoms and it may also halt the progression of the growing disease.

Epilepsy:
A 2007 study shown named "Marijuana: An Effective Antiepileptic Treatment in Partial Epilepsy?" showed the following
"animal studies and clinical experience suggest that marijuana or its active constituents may have a place in the treatment of partial epilepsy."

[In the study] we present the case of a 45-year-old man with cerebral palsy and epilepsy who showed marked improvement with the use of marijuana. This case supports other anecdotal data suggesting that marijuana use may be a beneficial adjunctive treatment in some patients with epilepsy."

The British Epilepsy Association stated on its website (accessed May 3, 2006):
"There is scientific evidence to suggest that cannabis may be beneficial in treating a number of conditions, including epilepsy.... Some reports suggest that it can reduce seizures.

any other questions?

B. i completly agree with you that if not done correctly it could turn into a huge mess of street selling, etc but i believe with the proper system
put into place it could also help thousands of people who are suffering and are in pain.
If somebody wants to smoke marajuiana they are going to smoke it, it is currently illegal yet how many people still get obtain it? granted making it legal will have all of these people trying to squeeze through loopholes, but there already obtaining it now...making it legal won't change anything. You say it will make it occur in great numbers..it already occurs in great numbers. They obtain the drug now, and they will continue obtaining the drug if they want it...so why let those who really need it suffer because of those who are too irresponsiable?
Making something illegal makes people want to try it even more....when something becomes legal it takes the "rebellious" side out if it so people lose intrest, half the joy in it..is being rebellious...
and i believe a system could be put into place where those who need it for medical purposes have to use it at a doctors office, or you can have it so a doctor needs to sign off on it. Granted it would take work to create a system that works but it is possible and with the amount of people suffering its worth it. Afterall it could be us thats suffering one day...we shouldnt suffer because of those few who are ignorant and dont do the right thing.
NotoD

Con

So, what you are centering your argument around is that yes it is illegal, yet people do it anyway, so why not make it legal for those people to do it, but it's okay that were making it legal and fueling this extremely unhealthy habit, (I'll get to this don't worry) because it has some helpful side effects when dealing with pain, nausea, and anorexia?

Now I say it is unhealthy because it has been proven that one marijuana cigarette has a tar count then 10 standard nicotine cigarettes, yet. The Marijuana does not have the same toxic makeup of the nicotine, or the addictiveness. So though it is a slight plus compared to nicotine it still does a lot of harm to person's body.

Also onto your facts, you are simply stating that medicinal marijuana only helps with pain, and side effects of treatments it does not have any effect on the actual illness. You also state that it may alleviate some symptoms, but in the long run has no real beneficial impact on the illness. So i stand by my fact that though it may do some good in the long run it will just fuel people selfish need to just obtain a high.
Debate Round No. 2
nkastner

Pro

I am not saying this should go to those people who dont need it for medical purposes, but for those who need it for medical purposes its a huge help.When i stated that it shoul be legalized i stated that it should be legalized for medical purposes. and
It does more then deal with some side effects of pain, nausea, and aneroxia.
if you read my previous round you would be aware of this,,i will state two of the points again..you may read the rest over yourself.

MS: numerous case studies have also reported improvement in patients treated with symptoms of MS including spasticity.
'have been shown in animal models to measurably lessen the symptoms and it may also halt the progression of the growing disease.

Epilepsy
The British Epilepsy Association stated on its website (accessed May 3, 2006):
"There is scientific evidence to suggest that cannabis may be beneficial in treating a number of conditions, including epilepsy.... Some reports suggest
that it can reduce seizures.

do you have any idea how painful some of these diseases could be if it can ease the pain, why not take use it? its not a selfish need to obtain a high but a desperate attempt to try to ease pain. and sometimes it does more then just ease the pain for your information...even if it dosent dont these people who are suffering deserve to live without pain for a little while?
if you were the one suffering from a disease i think it would greatly change your point of view

NotoD

Con

Well your point was kind of saying that these people are getting it anyway, so why not make it legal so it can do some good while the people who abuse it continue do so, just not in as many words.

"You are correct when you said that people use the system, but how many people currently still abuse it, and use marijuana even though it is illegal. Although marijuana is illegal hundreds of people still abuse it every day. If people want something they will get it no matter how hard it is if they want marijuana they will find a means of getting it. Making it legalized won't start a problem of abusing the drug, the problem is already here."

And though i will say i must have over looked the points you did make in the last argument round. I now clearly read it, and you have shown sufficient evidence. however from the 2 points on MS, and Epilepsy, I'm going to pick out two words that were more or less key points to me anyway, those being "That it CAN" for Epilepsy, and "It MAY also" now i do agree that these are two very severe illness and we should take any precaution we can to try and help these people, but legalizing something that will just reduce pain and maybe help with the actual illness is not enough.

Now i also agree that these people should live pain free however there are plenty of other legal painkillers out there that have the same effect on pain, such as Vicodin. Which is a clearly legal painkiller and has an astonishing effect on pain, without bringing on some of the negatives of marijuana like for example the munchies, or also as i pointed out in my previous statement, the tar in the marijuana cigarettes. This can lead to much worse things such as heart, and lung issues. Not to say though that Vicodin comes with its own risks such as addiction, but when prescribed correctly a patient cannot necessarily become hooked on the drug since the doctors would spread it out over a time frame and usually not give any refills on the prescription. Causing the patient to limit the amount they take to the prescribed schedule and not just use it whenever, which is what would occur with marijuana since if they run out they would not necessarily have to go to a pharmacy to refill there prescription but would rather just go down the street or where ever it may be and pick up some more from your local "friendly" drug dealer. Personally that idea sickens me to no end. So again i ask you how can you justify legalizing a product that would do much more harm than its good, when there are other PROVEN alternatives to marijuana.
Debate Round No. 3
nkastner

Pro


you speak about how vicodin should be used instead of marijuana yet you conviently left out...how dangerous vicodin could be. vicodin is easily addictive and this comes with many negative side affects..nausea.rashes.dizziness...this can also lead to more signifigant symptoms such as ireregular heartrate, and hallucinations.
Vicodin is so addictive that if discontuined too quickly..seizures can occur....sounds just as dangerous as medical marijuana..

if theres a chance that it may help why shouldnt we take it?
...you say negatives affects but then list the munchies?....although maybe not the greatest for your weight i dont see how the munchies is a negative affect..it dosent do anything wrong.....when you state that they will go down the street to their "friendly" drug dealer..that happens today..if we legalize for medical purposes..maybe it would stop that from happening...but even if it dosent stop it its not that it can make it worse...it already occurs!
and also you seem to be missing the point im not saying to legalize it for everyday people but for those who are sick and are prescribed by a doctor to need it.
personally i dont see that it does more harm. i think it does more good.
the amount of illnesses it can help outnumbers the amount of negative affects

scientists are studying into the future of medical marijuana to fight the negative affects that it has...a recent report from the institute of medicine of the US has done just this. There is currently an oral medication using marijuana that will mimic the postive affects marijuana has without as many harmful negative affects.
researchers are also looking at using a vaporizer or inhaler so people can have the affects of marijuana without inhaling the smoke.In some places this inhaler is already available and working. this research is making medical marijuana available without the harmful affects you are discussing....if this can be accomplished...there is no reason why those who are ill shouldnt be able to use it.

all im saying is give something a chance before you turn it down. Scientists are studying the many ways we can use marijuana for postive purposes...WITHOUT the harmful purposes.

NotoD

Con

Okay, for starters, for the sake of the debate, please don't use that text again, but now onto the fun stuff.

No, i did mention the dangers of Vicodin slightly, as shown here

"Not to say though that Vicodin comes with its own risks such as addiction, but when it is prescribed correctly a patient cannot necessarily become hooked on the drug since the doctors would spread it out over a time frame and usually not give any refills on the prescription. Causing the patient to limit the amount they take to the prescribed schedule and not just use it whenever, which is what would occur with marijuana since if they run out they would not necessarily have to go to a pharmacy to refill there prescription but would rather just go down the street or where ever it may be and pick up some more from your local "friendly" drug dealer."

Now i also did point out there are other more serious dangers to marijuana then just munchies as shown here.

"Now I say it is unhealthy because it has been proven that one marijuana cigarette has a tar count then 10 standard nicotine cigarettes,"

Also I'm not saying we shouldn't take it, i feel that without hard proof, or evidence that it will definitely do good for the actual illnesses and not just alleviate pain, or halt a few other portions of the illness but do all around good then there is not valid enough point to make it legal. Also legalizing it would not stop drug dealers, it would more or less increase their numbers since many more would have access to it, and would then be able to sell it for a profit for themselves but at a discount for those who buy it, since there would not be tax on it.

You do make a valid point on the vaporizer / inhaler, now if it can made with the actual use of marijuana, i.e. in a lab then just the actual product be sold then it should be used, only if the person in need cannot cause harm to those around them when they do get the high of the marijuana, like when they are in the hospital. Now you may be saying what harm can they cause, there are a variety of doomsday scenarios that can play out if a person obtains this high without being supervised by those who are not on that high, this usually entails a car, or various other things. Not to mention the one thing that leads to this is one of the main side effects of marijuana which is the relaxed state one goes into where they tend to just want to sit there, maybe fall asleep, or not focus as much.

And onto the part where you say we are currently looking into ways of getting the beneficial parts out of marijuana without the negative. You need to realize marijuana is a double bladed sword in a sense there is no pure beneficial without negative, there is always to parts to it, you cannot have one without the other, it is just not possible.

So i restate my point of unless you can show me 100% undeniable proof that there is a way we can legalize marijuana and get just the pure benefits out of it without any of the negatives. Then Marijuana must remain illegal, so that our current drug issue does not explode into an epidemic.
Debate Round No. 4
nkastner

Pro


Okay sorry now that i have carefully read it i see you have.....although i have just a few things to say about it.
you say vicodin is different because the doctor cant give more refills but with marijuana they can just go down the street and pick some up....its the same with vicodin, many drug dealers sell vicodin on the street. So how is that any different then marijuana?

all of your points with marijuana are valid but as i have stated before..this use of medical marijuana isnt going to be so people can just get it whenever they want it, smoke it where ever and whenever and then go drive their cars. It will be supervised under the supervison of doctors which would prevent from these things you speak of occuring.

you claim marijuana is doublesworded....vicadian is just as doublesworded as well as any other pain medication..or any medication for that matter..so you dont have an argument there.

If you give doctors, researchers and other people a chance to find a way to make it 100% maybe they could...but with ignorance preventing them from trying they could never do this. I would also like to point out that EVERY medicine has sideaffects and negative affects...many times the affects being worse then your actual problem. You say we cant legalize medical marijuana because of the negative affects...then how did every other drug become released?

Our current drug issue has nothing to do with medical marijuana. Our current drug issue is an issue that will always be around and legalizing medical marijuana will not have an affect on it. Legalizing medical marijuana will simply be providing help through doctors to those who are ill and can prove it. Legalizing medical marijuana will not be having cancer patients or any others on the streets buying it. Further more for many young people who are using drugs half of it is the feeling of being rebillous and breaking the law, it gives them a sort of high in its own that they are being a rebel...legalizing it isnt going to make it become an epedemic or one it will take the part of being a rebel out of the situation and thus many younger people who are doing it for this reason will stop. also as i've stated before if people want to smoke it they will get it no matter what the means are. Having it legal or not will not change anything...they are going to get it when its legal and they are going to get it when its not legal!.......
if you could provide proof that legalizing MEDICAL marijuana will provide an epedemic then maybe i could try to see your case but i cant see your case without proof that an epedemic will be caused. Strictly because medical marijuana will not be the same situation as buying marijuana off the corner from a drug dealer.



NotoD

Con

I would like to thank my opponent for the debate, this has been rather fun.

Now then, i feel we can agree on all point made that both Vicodin and marijuana both have their major drawbacks, and uses for the greater good. We both agree that they can be picked up from a drug dealer, which is a very dangerous act of doing due to the countless risks that come with obtaining anything from a drug dealer.

Also i am all for giving doctors and researchers the opportunity to research medical uses for marijuana, however this does not mean we need to legalize the use of it just yet. Sure we run trials and such to see if the effects are lasting and what not. But this doesn't mean we have to legalize marijuana. It just means we should research into it.

So again i resend my point on which i stand and i feel is the moral and ethical choice that must be voted upon by our peers. However i will explain it.

Point A.
The research of medical marijuana is fine and i am all for it but it does not mean it should be legalized, it can just be researched there is a difference between the two.

Point B.
Legalizing Medical Marijuana can open a Pandora's Box of sorts. For starters, access to the drug will become more prevalent in our society then it already is.

Final Point.
Plainly put there is not urgency in legalizing marijuana, even for medical uses. If anything we should merely research the effects it has on illnesses.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by joshizinfamous 5 years ago
joshizinfamous
"Now I say it is unhealthy because it has been proven that one marijuana cigarette has a tar count then 10 standard nicotine cigarettes,"

Medical Marijuana doesn't have to used as a cigarette. And to my knowledge (though hard to find) Marijuana cigarrets are legal. But Medical marijuana is just that. Marijuana not in cigarette form.
Posted by nkastner 5 years ago
nkastner
medical purposes.
try not to be so ignorant
Posted by DebateGirl 5 years ago
DebateGirl
I honestly do not understand why anyone would think it is a good idea to legalize drug use!
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Reasons for voting decision: "Now also how would you ensure that it is actually getting to those who need it and it is not just going to any random person who can present a card or something saying they have legal access to the marijuana? " - because as a drug it would be the same as another other drug
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Reasons for voting decision: Both sides had difficult grammar to read. Both sides kept repeating their arguments every round. If you guys are wondering where the votes are, it's because of the 5 rounds. Too much text. Anyway, Pro had more factual support, Con had just personal moral objections. Argument to Pro and sources to Pro.