The Instigator
lala46dude
Con (against)
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The Contender
iamadragon
Pro (for)
Winning
13 Points

Mario Mendoza was a good baseball player.

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iamadragon
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 6/16/2009 Category: Sports
Updated: 8 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
Viewed: 1,391 times Debate No: 8671
Debate Rounds (2)
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lala46dude

Con

resolved: mario mendoza was a good baseball player.

Mario Mendoza: http://www.baseball-reference.com...

Mario Mendoza: http://en.wikipedia.org...

mendoza's career stats: .215/.245/.262 BA/OBP/SLG
iamadragon

Pro

First, I'd like to welcome my friend for creating her first debate, despite her making her account so long ago.

Second, I'd like to own her in this debate.

The resolution is "Mario Mendoza was a good baseball player." I have to argue that Mario Mendoza was a good baseball player. This is just obvious.

Mendoza's reputation is as one of the worst MAJOR LEAGUE baseball players of all-time. However, as we all know, the Major Leagues are most likely the most talented baseball league in the world. As of today, there are 30 teams x 25 players/team = 750 Major League players at any one time.

Compared to the average citizen–no, even the average baseball player, any Major League player is a beast. Only the best of the best of the best ever sniff the Major Leagues in their lifetimes. Let's shoot low and say there are 1000 high schools in the nation with baseball teams (obviously, there are far more). Then, there are at least 9 players per team. That means there are 9000 high school baseball players. Now, let's say there are 100 colleges with baseball teams (obviously there are far more), and they have 9 players per team. Now, let's say there are 3 minor league teams (each organization actually has 4 or 5) and that each minor league team has 25 players. 3 minor league teams/major league teams x 30 major league teams x 20 (again, the typical professional roster has about 25 players, so we're shooting low) players/minor league team = more than 1500 players.

Add all those up, and with ridiculously low estimates, we see more than 10,000 baseball players at levels less talented than the Majors.

Clearly, even if a player is horrible in the Majors, like Mario Mendoza, he is better than 10,000 other baseball players–99.99th percentile, about. Keep in mind the unbelievably low estimates I used, and Mendoza is still better than 10,000. I'd say that makes him a good baseball player. The resolution is affirmed. Vote PRO.
Debate Round No. 1
lala46dude

Con

mario mendoza sucked. when looking at baseball players we compare them to their peers; mario mendoza was one of the worst compared to his peers. vote CON. mario mendoza was not a good baseball player, becaus ehe was not good compared to his peers.
iamadragon

Pro

That's not the resolution. The debate is whether or not Mario Mendoza was a good baseball player, plain and simple. When judging whether or not someone is good at something, we look at how he does compared to any other person doing that thing. As I showed in Round 1, using low estimates, Mendoza is still far superior to the vast majority of baseball players.

If we only judged a baseball player by how he does in his own league, and we suddenly put Mendoza against a bunch of Little Leaguers and he crushed home runs in every AB, would we call him the best baseball player ever? No. We need to look at the talent he's facing. The better the talent one faces, the better he looks if he does well, and the less bad he looks if he doesn't do well.

Again, as I showed, Mendoza is superior to an incredibly large number of baseball players just by virtue of his playing in the Major Leagues. Thus, he is a good baseball player. The resolution is affirmed. Vote PRO, bro.
Debate Round No. 2
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Posted by patsox834 8 years ago
patsox834
See? Lame.
Posted by patsox834 8 years ago
patsox834
Nah, this is way too lame.
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