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durdydurds
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TheDarkMuffin
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Marvel is better than DC

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TheDarkMuffin
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 5/30/2013 Category: Entertainment
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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durdydurds

Pro

Marvel is better than DC Comics.

The Marvel Universe expands over 500 different heroes and villains while creating icons such as:
Spider-Man
X-Men
The Fantastic Four
The Avengers
and more recently, Deadpool.

With such a wide range of themes, powers, worlds, and appeals, Marvel s undeniably the better comic creator.

When I think of DC, I think of Superman, Batman, The Justice League and that's pretty much it. There isn't enough variety to make this universe appealing. Although Batman is one of the most popular superheroes of all time, he is difficult to connect with. His traumatic childhood and dark embodiment are not as relatable as Spider-Man's average, problem filled days and quirky jokes.

As for Superman, it seems pretty cheap to give a single guy (alien-thing) every superpower and make his only weakness his allergies to green rocks. The same goes for Green Lantern. Give him a ring and whatever he imagines appears.
How do these guys ever lose?
Where's the competition? Excitement?

Marvel just overall completes a great franchise that can dish out planet-eaters and blind bad@$$es. DC is just too small.
TheDarkMuffin

Con

It appears as though there's a very discrepant knowledge of DC from Pro, which is disconcerting being that we are currently living in the age of information. To begin, I think I'll compare the information Pro and I know to show that Pro clearly hasn't done very much research prior to making this argument.

A Long Time Ago in a Canon Far, Far Away

My opponent asserts that the entirety of the DC universe, in the eyes of comic book fans, is "The Justice League." Let's look at some of the most popular DC comics and series.
  • Stardust
  • V for Vendetta
  • Hellblazer
  • Justice League
  • Batman
  • Superman
  • Green Arrow
  • Grifter
  • Jonah Hex
  • My personal favorite: Watchmen

Something you'll probably notice: Only half of those are Justice League (and not even the best ones).

Watchmen[1] is absolutely incredible.[2] So incredible, it's easy to see why my opponent would neglect it completely. More than likely, my opponent doesn't very frequently read comics published by DC. It seems a bit biased to consider one greater than the other simply because you've had more experience involving it.

Then, of course...

Circumstances

"Although Batman is one of the most popular superheroes of all time, he is difficult to connect with. His traumatic childhood and dark embodiment are not as relatable as Spider-Man's average, problem filled days and quirky jokes."


This is much too subjective an assertion in general, an assertion that, you could say, is "difficult to connect with." So, I will try my best to simply extract the objective argument here.


"Dark and traumatic contexts make bad stories as they are hard to relate to. Average, problem filled days are what make stories interesting."

Actually, this is a very good point. The other day, I was telling my friend this story. I woke up in the morning, and then, I tried to take a shower before brushing my teeth for once. This shower didn't start! I already knew this was going to be a problem filled day. When it finally started, the water was too cold, so I decided to undress while it was warming up, and my shirt wouldn't come off! And you might think we're already at the interesting part, but it gets better! After I finished taking a shower, I couldn't find any clothes, so I ended up debating this guy about DC and Marvel naked. Don't worry. I'll wait. Let that soak in. Man, if only every day were this interesting.

Masterpiece. Then, we went to go see Titanic after that. What total bullsh*t. It was too dark and tragic. Some guy said this movie was going to get 2nd place in the Box Office in the US[3] and Worldwide[4]! I don't know how he predicted that, but he's an idiot.

Notwithstanding the linear thought process my opponent has had, he decided to follow with...

OP

...a joke. There's absolutely no way my opponent can be serious, here.

"...it seems pretty cheap to give a single guy (alien-thing) every superpower..."

So, my opponent is arguing that DC heroes and villains are too powerful.

Wh-!? Can some clarify!? He's just messing with me, right?

If not, we have at this point established that my opponent apparently not only knows nothing of DC comics and has done no reasearch, but doesn't even understand either the concept of being overpowered and/or the Marvel characters sufficiently.

I mean, let's ignore for a second that one of the Avengers is a DEMIGOD with the ability to never die (which Superman, an aforementioned character, does not have), crush entire planets with sheer physical strength, and, umm...oh, right, MATTER TRANSMUTATION.[5]

Let's even go and ignore one of the most iconic enemies of the Fantastic Four, The Silver Surfer, who can also destroy entire planets, transmute matter, and never die.[6]

After completely disregarding these two, do we still have any super overpowered characters?

Well, I can't think of any, other than Apocalypse (mind reading, psychokinesis, super strength [more than the Hulk, I might add], can fight all the X-Men at once)[7][8], Galactus (eats entire planets and galaxies, knows more than all the worlds he's eaten combined, created the Silver Surfer)[9], The Living Tribunal (limitless power)[10], and The Beyonder (this guy makes all the guys I just mentioned completely obsolete.)[11].


It's probably also worth noting as a footnote The One Above All who can make anything happen at any time and can completely manipulate all of reality.[12]

So, let's neglect that Marvel's character are way more powerful than DC's and, once again, extract the applicable, objective argument.

"The more power one has, the less interesting the story will be."

To my opponent, I'd like to ask: Why!? Because you know who'll win the fight? Is that all that's interesting to you? The fight? Character development doesn't matter? Plot doesn't matter? Dialogue doesn't matter? Just the fights!? One of my favorite films of all time: Primer.


There were no fight sequences.

How unfortunate that such a great film would be completely disregarded by my opponent simply because you know the characters won't have a chance to lose any fights. One ought to look for more to like in a story than something as shallow as how intense a fight is.

To bring back Watchmen, my absolute favorite DC comic ever, into the debate, it's worth noting that Dr. Manhattan is extremely powerful. He won an entire war nearly single-handedly. Does that make him any less interesting?

He was the most interesting, yet undeniably the most unothodoxically relatable character of all the characters. He also had a rather dark past, which I won't spoil.

It's unbelievably incredible and shocking how much research my opponent has done, or rather the lack thereof. I highly encourage my opponent to put more effort into his next round.

  1. http://www.amazon.com...
  2. http://watchmen.wikia.com...
  3. http://www.boxofficemojo.com...
  4. http://www.boxofficemojo.com...
  5. http://www.comicvine.com...
  6. http://en.wikipedia.org...
  7. http://en.wikipedia.org...
  8. http://marvel.com...
  9. http://marvel.com...
  10. http://marvel.com...
  11. http://en.wikipedia.org...
  12. http://marvel.wikia.com...
Debate Round No. 1
durdydurds

Pro

durdydurds forfeited this round.
TheDarkMuffin

Con

My opponent hasn't rebutted any rebuttals or arguments I've made, so I think a safe presumption at this point, until further data proves otherwise, is that my opponent has complied to the position of complete concession to my points.

I believe this should be considered the truth until my opponent either decides to make a new argument or re-schedules while the debate is still ongoing.
Debate Round No. 2
durdydurds

Pro

durdydurds forfeited this round.
TheDarkMuffin

Con

The hypothesis that my opponent has conceded still holds as of Round 3.
Debate Round No. 3
durdydurds

Pro

durdydurds forfeited this round.
TheDarkMuffin

Con

There has been an abundance of people forfeiting in my debates lately, without much explanation as to why. This particular topic got me rather hyped. Oh well.

As of Round 4, my opponent still appears to have conceded
Debate Round No. 4
durdydurds

Pro

durdydurds forfeited this round.
TheDarkMuffin

Con

This counts as passive concession to all my points, meaning my opponent completely agrees with me. I believe that that is a very reasonable ground for forfeiting all of my opponent's points, as I'm refuted all of Pro's arguments while Pro has refuted none of mine.
Debate Round No. 5
1 comment has been posted on this debate.
Posted by TheDarkMuffin 3 years ago
TheDarkMuffin
This was severely disappointing.
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Vote Placed by Subutai 3 years ago
Subutai
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