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voidsaverob
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CosmoJarvis
Con (against)

Marxist Communism is better than capitalism

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Started: 12/9/2016 Category: Economics
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Debating Period
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voidsaverob

Pro

Communism, as defined by Marx, has ten main principles:
(https://www.marxists.org..., pg 26)
1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public
purposes.
2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
5. Centralisation of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank
with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the
State.
7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the
bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally
in accordance with a common plan.
8. Equal liability of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for
agriculture.
9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of
all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.
10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children"s
factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial
production.

Abolition of the ownership of land is an old idea, not exclusive to Communism. The chief reason for the abolition of ownership of land is that it promotes the centralization of wealth as well as wealth inequality. Feudalism is a good example of what happens when people are allowed to own land. The ownership of land allows people to manipulate others' labor. Corporatism and capitalism are essentially modern manifestations of feudalism, and could not easily exist without ownership of land.

A heavy income tax is necessary for a Communist government to function. Obviously, a 100% income tax, which is then redistributed evenly among all citizens, is the ideal form of this. This allows for the abolition of inequality in wealth. The simple reason that complete equality in wealth is desirable is because it greatly reduces crime, as well as destroying poverty (in a healthy economy) or greatly reducing the severity of poverty in unhealthy economies.

The abolition of all rights of inheritance is obviously desirable. The right to inheritance is a fundamentally flawed idea. It makes absolutely no sense for one person to inherit another's belongings. In a system where the state is already evenly distributing resources, inheritance would only serve to create small amounts of wealth inequality and complicate the distribution of resources. Furthermore, abolition of rights of inheritance greatly reduce the incentive for corruption that is experienced in so many governments today, as well as some Communist governments of the past. This is because any wealth that is gained through corruption can only benefit oneself, and not be transferred to one's children.

Confiscation of the property of rebels and emigrates is an intelligent idea for a state to practice. Obviously, confiscation of the property of rebels disincentives rebellion and greatly reduces the potential effectiveness of rebellions. Confiscation of the property of emigrates prevents foreigners from essentially stealing the resources of a country, as well as preventing emigrants from transferring the wealth of the country into another country's economy.

The state having a monopoly on credit is a good idea because it prevents financial thievery and fraud. It also means that the state can easily preserve the equality of all people in the nation, because it has access to how much money everyone has and spends.

Centralization of communication and transport by the state is already present in many modern countries. It means that private enterprises cannot manipulate people by controlling their movement (another remnant of feudalism) or controlling their communication with other people.

Idea 7 is just expanding the economy and wealth of a country. This also expands the natural resource base of the country. This idea is not exclusive to Communism; the only difference between this and capitalist economic development is that all factories are owned by the state in a Communist system, as it allows for wealth distribution.

Equal liability of all to work is just sensible. Any argument against this is centered in greed; no rational person can think that one person is more responsible to work than another.

Combination of gathering (agriculture) and processing (developing) industries just allows for a more efficient economy. This improves both the fuel/carbon efficiency (because goods do not have to travel large distances) and the time efficiency for the same reason.

Obviously child factory work is bad. Free education is also present for children; this point is not very relevant to modern, developed society.
CosmoJarvis

Con

I'm glad to be debating with you today on this interesting question. Good luck, and may the odds be ever in your favor.


Capitalism: an economic system in which investment in and ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange of wealth is made and maintained chiefly by private individuals or corporations, especially as contrasted to cooperatively or state-owned means of wealth.

Communism:a system of social organization in which all economic and social activity is controlled by a totalitarian state dominated by a single and self-perpetuating political party.


I will not disagree that capitalism has its flaws, but we need it for nations such as the United States to thrive and grow. In theory, Communism is a great system. Social classes are entirely abolished, and there are equal wages for most citizens. However, any government that is capable of giving you everything is also capable of keeping it for themselves. Under the Soviet Union, the party ruling the nation kept most of the money to themselves, or toward military spending [1].

Capitalism works because the government is not in charge. The economy is free to flourish as it pleases.

If the government were to regulate everything, there would be no competition in the market, and no reason to expand ideas. As an example for this reasoning, I would like to introduce you to "Business A" and "Business B." Both businesses are companies that sell cars. However, they are both competing against each other. To win over more of the profits, Businesses A and B continually improve upon their product to make it more appealing to consumers. If the government were to have full control over the market, there wouldn't be any need to improve upon their products because nobody is competing against them for profits.

Another example of why communism is terrible for the economy is a Pigram colony in the 1620s:
After the Pilgrims landed in 1620, they decided that they would plant a community garden and share the fruits and vegetables equally at the end of the season. The idea was that all would work together and share equally at the end of the season. However, no one wanted to work in the gardens. Most were reluctant to do the planting and weed a garden that was not theirs. That first year, the gardens were not well kept and they had poor crops, which led to hunger the next winter. Under this system, by 1623 the colony was facing starvation. It was decided that a new system be used the following year. Each family was given a plot of land to garden in proportion to its size. They would be allowed to keep the fruits and vegetables for them selves [2].


Sources:
1) http://www.stridentconservative.com...
2) http://www.culture-war.info...;
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Posted by Chris330 1 year ago
Chris330
Communism is a horrible idea and even worse of a practice. Taking something that does not belong to you is theft, plain and simple.
Posted by jo154676 1 year ago
jo154676
Yea well too bad that this could never happen because everytime a country tries a totalitarian government is formed that murders millions of its own citizens because they cannot stand the greed of the top while the poor suffers.
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